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Muslim scholars issue 'fatwa' calling for 'jihad' against Israel as strikes pummel Gaza
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Wouldn't it have been better to fatwa specific Israeli leaders instead of the entire country that is full of civilians who didn't cause this?
Would have gone a long way I think to showing they are the moral high ground in the situation.
Israel is the cause of this. Their target is completely correct.
97% of Israelis support ethnically cleansing Gaza.
Idk man, there's been many protests such as this one since. https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5339490/israel-protests-netanyahu-hostages-gaza-war
Those are about the captives. The do not care one bit about Palestinians. Actually scratch that, they care 3/100 bits about Palestinians.
Notice that those protests are not in opposition to the genocide
"wouldn't it have been better to only go to war with specific Nazi leaders, instead of the entirety of Nazi Germany, that is full of civilians who didn't cause this?"
Also yes? Do you think there were literally no innocent or anti-nazi during Nazi Germany? It was just extremely dangerous to speak out.
So you disagree with the allies going to war with Nazi Germany?
Is that what I said -_-
Certainly seems to be
Try reading instead of assuming
I hate this excuse liberals keep making, either to whitewash the actions of nations that have lost their minds, or to do cringe "I hate the government not the people" sthicks.
The government doesn't fall from the heavens. The Israeli leaders, just like the Americans or Nazis did not come out of nowhere and cause mass hypnosis amongst the innocent populations whose only crime was to be too weak to resist hypnosis. These leaders emerged from the population. They were supported by the population before they acquired legislative/executive power (that's how you aquire the power in the first place). Their commands mean nothing if the population doesn't go along with it. These leaders are leaders of nations only so long as they represent the wills of their nations, and the will of their nations is to kill, to loot and to worship their capitalist masters.
No man, and I mean none at all rules alone. One comes to realise this truth when one converses directly with the supposed innocents in America, or Germany or Israel. These people by and large know that their governments are involved in genocide (at this point, who isn't aware?), and if they aren't actively cheering it on, at the minimum they are going along with it.
Israel is a democratic country. The Israelis willingly elect war criminals to lead their country.
I voted D, but all Americans are to blame for Trumps shitty actions because a minority of Americans voted for him?
Back to Israel, you sure about that? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932022_Israeli_political_crisis
That’s not how representative democracy works
No, that's idiotic collective punishment. This whole thread is full of fucking genocide supporters pretending they have the moral high ground.
Wdym? The thread has a pretty antiisrael stance
Yet cheering for a fucking fatwa against all of Israel, what the fuck kind of reality are we in where now we're applauding this shit.
You would have defended Nazi Germany
I would have defended against agreeing to specifically target civilians, yes.
Anne Frank would have been slaughtered as just another nazi Germany with the bullshit ethics in this thread.
This is only something that you have assumed that other people want. Dismantling a settler colonial state is not genocide, on the contrary, it prevents future genocides. And obviously, a settler state can only be dismantled through violent forceful actions, especially against those who seek to uphold it. Any pretenses otherwise are just as delusional as the belief that Nazi Germany could have been destroyed without killing the millions of soldiers of the Wehrmacht who fanatically defended the regime to the very end.
Or in other terms, there are no wars against the leaders, the very concept is nonsensical. Leaders don't fight wars, soldiers do.
Literally nobody said anything about "specifically targeting civilians".
Also, Anne Frank wasn't German, dip shit.
My entire point was that the fatwa was not specific thereby including civilians.
She literally was born in Germany, take half a second and look it up.
So, like I said, nobody said anything about specifically targeting civilians.
She didn't live in Germany, nor was she a German citizen.
You're completely wrong https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Frank
No? That corroborates what I said
Did we read the same article? How do Nazis revoke citizenship from someone who wasn’t a citizen? She was still German born and would have had the right to legal recognition of her status as a German citizen had she survived. The only sense in which she wasn’t German is that the Nazi government in power at the time of her death didn’t consider her a citizen (or human being), but that’s a pretty poor basis to say she wasn’t German.
Yes, that does indeed confirm that she didn't live in Germany and wasn't a citizen.
It confirms that she was born in Germany, lived there for the first years of her life before fleeing Nazi persecution, and had German citizenship until it was revoked by the Nazis. “She was a German who had her citizenship revoked by the Nazis at the time of her death” and “she wasn’t German” aren’t compatible without accepting the Nazi definition of who was and wasn’t a German citizen. The Holocaust was carried out on Germany’s citizens (in addition to those of other nations), even if they denied that these people were citizens.
In the current political climate I feel this is a very important distinction to make.
Thank you! My whole point is regardless of shitty GOVERNMENT actions, there are absolutely loads of innocent civilians and we should keep that in mind when condemning countries. That was all and everyone lost their minds claiming all sorts of things about my stance, infuriating.
Yes, so it confirms that she didn't live in Germany and wasn't a citizen
I’m not a genocide supporter. I was pointing out an obvious contradiction in your statement.
And if you think Israelis are against collective punishment then how would you describe what’s been happening to Palestinians all those decades?
Are innocent Israelis more deserving of mercy than innocent Palestinians?
Here is your lever and some complementary trolleys 🎚️🛤️ 🚃, please submit your answers before all Palestinians are ethnically cleansed
Jesus christ you people just make up what you think I believe huh?
My principled stance is genocide is bad regardless of who is perputrating or even saying it SHOULD BE perpetrated (basically what this Fatwa is saying no?)
I am absolutely against the abhorrent things that Israel is doing, fuck off.
All genocide is bad. A declaration of war is not.
No. There is nothing in it about killing unarmed civilians or eliminating all Jewish people. It’s a call for all Arab/Muslim nations to form a united front and declare war, which, like all wars (sans Israel’s concept of war?) has rules of engagement.
Your assumption that the word “jihad” means genocide is the problem with this conversation. “Jihad” literally means “to struggle/strive”. It’s used in several contexts and there are types of Jihad. (See the Wikipedia article on it for more)
You think I’m advocating genocide. I am not. I, however, am supportive of a war against a genocidal rogue state.
Source (in Arabic): https://www.uae71.com/posts/117288
Direct translation for the lazy bums who won’t bother:
Edit 2: more sources for your perusal:
I did definitely misunderstand what the intention of a Fatwa and the Jihad meant from the classic reason of being an American who has never been pushed to read beyond what I have seen in media and such.
So, in that my original interpretation is definitely wrong, however I do still stand by my original point that it would likely have gone a long way to take the moral high ground by specifically stating that civilians are not valid targets.
I know that what the government of Israel has done to Gaza is literally genocidal ethnic cleansing, please don't misunderstand what I'm saying as Israeli apologeia, I simply believe violence should be avoided if possible, in this circumstance it doesn't seem possible with bad actors refusing to negotiate in any sort of good faith and the clear intent on display. (By Israel and the US again to clarify)
Idk, Muslim extremism has prevailed in the media in my lifetime with many such examples specifically perpetrated on otherwise innocent people. Having said that, I am aware that white nationalist/Christian extremism is alive and well in America and is frequently the cause of our mass shooting events and the cause of a lot of death across the world so... 🤷♂️
Hey, thanks for being frank about it. I completely understand how the words fatwa/jihad/tuqqiya get misinterpreted due to the propaganda demonising Muslims and the Middle East in general. Which Israel and their lobbyist/proponents in the west—I.e the Murdoch dynasty—have a hand in.
I hate wars. Because all wars have collateral damage; especially in this age of bullets, missiles, and high-yield explosives.
Wars are always a terrible solution, but that said, sometimes the only solutions left are the ugly ones. Israel made its choice, and no matter what anyone says, I can’t really sympathise with an entire nation of sociopathic genocidal assholes because they could have a few good apples mixed in. I don’t think the allies did that in WWII Germany and nor do I condone/condemn it. (Except the use of nuclear weapons in Japan to make a point but that’s the classical US hubris for ya)
So yeah, Israel are now the genocidal assholes and if they get treated like nazi germany then that’s on them.