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[-] Xenomorph@hexbear.net 107 points 4 days ago

idk what to even say to this, and here I thought the bush jr. years were bad with slapping the "terrorist" label on anything that moves. Please, please, please be careful with whatever you say online anymore because this shit could very easily escalate to black-bagging anyone for saying anything.

[-] CeliacMcCarthy@hexbear.net 104 points 4 days ago

and here I thought the bush jr. years were bad with slapping the "terrorist" label on anything that moves

they were bad, this would not be happening now if not for the war on terror and its liberal complicity

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 83 points 4 days ago

Seeing everything come to pass from my cursed visions of the future I had as a teenager during the bush years is driving me mad

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
[-] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago

How about Ricky from trailer park boys saying Atoadaso!

[-] FidelChadstro@hexbear.net 49 points 4 days ago
[-] CeliacMcCarthy@hexbear.net 85 points 4 days ago

and anyone with a shred of common sense and a concept of morality could tell you that this would be the inevitable result. it was plain as fuckin day and bringing it up just got you called an alarmist and an ideological purity tester

I hope chuck schumer dies in CECOT

[-] FidelChadstro@hexbear.net 65 points 4 days ago

Thinking back 20 years to all the good liberals who called it when the patriot act was signed into law

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 41 points 4 days ago

You really want to feel the paranoia juice? Look up how much of USAPATRIOT was written down and ready to go before 9/11 even happened. I'm not a "9/11 was an inside job" person, for what it's worth.

But I am very much a "they were planning this kind of police state bullshit for a long time" guy. Which feels a bit silly having "won" the Cold War a decade before, ending history etc etc. So... what event were they really planning all the crackdown for? (My money's on the climate)

[-] Shaleesh@hexbear.net 36 points 4 days ago

I'm not sure about that last part. While it may prove useful in the event of a climate collapse scenario I have doubts as to its purpose being so forward-thinking. The USA is white supremacist, built on slavery, the perpetrator of genocides and born from imperialism. Such a state turning its tools inwards is probably just the natural progression of things.

[-] Azarova@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

I think it would be mistake to think that these things weren't being planned for or that the highest levels of Western governments aren't climate collapse aware, even if the public-facing rhetoric is all about climate change being a hoax or whatever bullshit is being spun to make sure the average American isn't (rightfully) extremely alarmed at the situation. The highest echelons of the Western militaries have been planning for climate collapse scenarios for decades. Although it's definitely correct to say that even without a collapsing biosphere that these tools of imperial control would have eventually turned inward anyway.

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago

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[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

Yeah it was probably inevitable but that doesn't mean there wasn't a plan

The real smoking guns are the convictions for financial crimes including insider trading around 9/11 because how in the hell was there any insider trading if no one knew about it but unfortunately 99% of boomers obsessed with this shit are stuck on "muh steel beans couldn't be melted by fet jule"

[-] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 days ago

9/11 doesn't have to be an inside job. It was an inevitability which they were all aware. The whole "we won" and "end of history" narrative was obviously not true and just meant to attempt to pacify people, they knew they were still conducting global imperialism and that eventually some group(s) would try and strike back

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

All roads lead to imperialism/further extraction of the natural world

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The American Civil Liberties Union alleges that extraordinary rendition was developed during the Clinton administration. CIA officials in the mid-1990s were trying to track down and dismantle militant Islamic organizations in the Middle East, particularly Al Qaeda.[15]

According to Clinton administration official Richard Clarke:

'extraordinary renditions', were operations to apprehend terrorists abroad, usually without the knowledge of and almost always without public acknowledgment of the host government ... The first time I proposed a snatch, in 1993, the White House Counsel, Lloyd Cutler, demanded a meeting with the President to explain how it violated international law. Clinton had seemed to be siding with Cutler until Al Gore belatedly joined the meeting, having just flown overnight from South Africa. Clinton recapped the arguments on both sides for Gore: 'Lloyd says this. Dick says that.' Gore laughed and said, 'That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass.'

Both the Bush and Clinton cases involved apprehending known terrorists abroad, by covert means if necessary. The Bush administration expanded the policy after the 9/11 attacks.

[-] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago

Self-Limiting sounds like a dangeros idea. Paraphrasing Tum Snyder: don't concede early

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago

just be careful is all i would advise. don't make careless death threats, don't openly discuss blatantly illegal plans, use a VPN, use encrypted messaging (not signal) if you are involved in something slightly more serious and probably don't put anything in digital writing if you're actually hardcore (but these people hopefully already know that)

[-] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

I agree with you.

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