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I have no idea how anyone can still think the left and 'globalists' are in power when all the shit for nearly 50 years has been increasing authoritarianism and fascism.
According to the frothing bootlickers that inhabit the space around me? Because gay
Them:" I saw someone once who spoke a different language than me once. What is that if not GLOBALISM?"
Don't forget while sitting in the oval office trump tweeted about how something that was hurting him was a "deep state conspiracy"
Soviet Union was authoritarian. Both the far left and the far right don't want authoritarianism but claim the other side does.
Fascism, when state and companies become one, is the opposite of a small state, a major goal of the right.
So from a right wing perspective, the left and globalists must be in power if they are not living freely in a country with a small state.
Left and right should talk. There are many things that they can achieve together.
All countries are "authoritarian," all states exert authority. When analyzing them, it's important to find which class is represented, which class is exerting its authority. The USSR was authoritarian towards the bourgoeisie, monarchists, and fascists, but empowering for the proletariat.
Further, fascism is just Capitalism in different circumstances. Dire circumstances, where it needs to violently and brutally defend its class dynamics.
I don't think there's much the left can gain from the right.
Capitalism and fascism is not what the proletarian right wants.
The main differences are that the right accepts social, class differences while the left wants socialized support and unity. On the other hand the left wants individual personal differences while the right wants uniform values.
It's not about gaining things from the right but overcoming differences. There doesn't have to be left and right. Then both sides can change society together and make a better world instead of fighting each other for the benefit of the upper class.
The "right" is made up of those who want to retain the current Capitalist system, or turn the clock "back," to earlier days. The "left" is made up of Socialists that want to progress onwards. The left and right "values" you list aren't really indicative of right or left, but vibes.
The proletariat should unify, but this would make them left. Abandoning the reactionary position of being right-wing doesn't mean the leftists get less left, it's unifying around correct analysis.
From the point of view of the right, the left government is maintaining overbearing zoning laws and medical regulations. These left politics retain the profits for the upper class in the current Capitalist system.
It's the separation of the proletariat that uphelds Capitalism, not one side alone.
A unified proletariat doesn't have to be left. Restricting analysis to dialectical materialism misses that people also care about other things. The left would already have convinced the entire proletariat if it's only materialism.
It's the arrogance of already knowing how to resolve social issues that keeps the left stuck in the past. The left is all about respecting people and their emotions and desires, but when they are expressed in the form of right-wing support, they are called reactionary and ignored.
Right-wingers misanalyzing the issues felt by the whole proletariat don't validate that analysis by virtue of the consequences being real. The proletariat being divided is indeed one method of upholding Capitalism, but the answer isn't to abandon Leftist analysis, which is correct.
Further, Dialectical Materialism doesn't "miss that people care about other things." I think you're confusing DiaMat for Class Struggle, which is merely one analysis of DiaMat.
The Left also isn't all about "respecting people and their emotions and desires." Not all desires are valid, nor are all viewpoints. There are correct conclusions and correct analysis, and there are incorrect conclusions and incorrect analysis. A right-winger blaming government as the issue when really it's the fault of Capitalism and the state being of bourgeois character is wrong, and those ideas should be fought.
Leftist analysis is not correct if the proletariat is stuck where it is.
I would say, not all enactments of desires are acceptable, but invalidating desires by themselves sounds wrong to me. Who decides which desires are valid?
Having a strong government to oppose Capitalism doesn't help either. Capitalism is just one form of maintaining power. The people with capital will become the people at the top of the government if Capitalism is abolished by government.
Why not go full Hegel, treat left and right as thesis and antithesis and come up with something new?
What do you mean by "stuck?" Globally, conditions are rapidly changing, and moving steadily in favor of the Proletariat. Socialist countries like the PRC are overtaking the US, which is weakening in Imperialist power.
Desires based on inaccurate analysis are invalid. If someone wants to limit government because of problems sprouting from Capitalism, not the government, then these aren't desires that need to be addressed. They can be better informed and corrected, but not entertained.
Strengthening the government under Capitalism isn't Left either, rather the Leftist (specifically Marxist) solution is to smash the state and replace it with a Proletarian one. Historically, the bourgeoisie has been suppressed by Proletarian States, your hypothesis isn't accurate.
Hegel's Dialectics are idealist, and thus wrong. He advanced Dialectics, but it was Marx that stood them upright and made them Materialist. The idea of trying to synthesize a new ideology of left combined with right historically is Social Democracy, which ends in the same problems under Capitalism and in the Nordics, for example, relies on Imperialism to sustain itself. With the global weakening of Imperialism, conditions are decaying in the Nordics.
But there are priviliged positions of power within those states. It's just another form to organize power. Those positions will not be available to everybody.
That can't be all.
As you write, it doesn't work so something else should be tried.
Administration and management are necessities in complex and large-scale systems. This does imply power imbalance, but it does not imply the same character of class dynamics as in Capitalist states.
Social Democracy doesn't work, but Socialism does. We have seen this in practice quite effectively. There isn't a mythical "perfect" system, all Socialist states have faced internal and external struggles, but we have seen remarkable resiliance and success from them in a quantitatively and qualitatively different level from Capitalist states.
Xi Jinping is the son of a high ranking politician. How is that not some form of class dynamics?
USSR failed by having to import grain, while having black earth.
But I am not opposing Socialism.
My point is that right-wing people shouldn't be ignored, especially not to the point of seeing them as enemies.
The upper class is using the split to reign. Insisting on a solution that has room for improvement locks in the current situation.
Having a parent as a politician and then being elected is not a "class." The alternative is to bar descendents from holding office, which is just trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
The USSR had problems we can analyze, but through collective farming methods became food stable in a country that frequently had famines. Further, we can see food stability in countries like the PRC.
We should not ignore right-wing proletarians. We should thoroughly correct their poor analysis and promote correct political lines. We should see fascists and the bourgeoisie, landlords, etc as enemies.
The upper class plays up division to distract, this is correct, but Socialism remains the correct path. There isn't a "perfect" Socialism, but that doesn't mean advocating for Socialism locks in the current situation. To the contrary, Socialist revolution has already happened in many areas.
I'd like to know what you mean by saying "Socialism has ro for improvement" as a general rule, and not as countries building Socialism iterating and working to resolve the problems that come with nation building in general.
Which all go back to the white army losing. Some say it was intentionally. Can that be recreated?
The early industrial society doesn't exist anymore. Capitalists have adapted and turned workers into consumers. The old paths are gone.
Consumers don't want to endure hardship or analysis. They can't stand seeing the problem, how can they be receptive to a solution?
The material situation is the same but there is now a mental problem that hasn't been solved.
To fish for downvotes, let me add that the bro lifestyle is an attempt by the right to solve the mental issues while ignoring the material ones.
The White Army was specific to Russia, not all Socialist states like China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc. Don't really know what you're getting at, here.
Workers were always consumers. That's part of the problem with Capitalism, higher wages give more room for increased commodity circulation, but Capitalists don't want to pay their own workers higher wages. Further, industry is still the backbone of production worldwide, the Imperialist states in the West just export the hardest jobs to the Global South so they can have cheap goods without the harsh labor.
As Capitalism decays, proletarianization increases even in the Imperialist countries, and thus reception to Socialism increases.
There is no "mental problem that cannot be solved," this is quite literally inventing a problem that exists purely in your head. Idealism to a T.
Broism is a reaction to proletarianization, combined with patriarchial culture. It ignores analysis and goes for vibes-based solutions, which is why all bro-culture is incoherent and contradictory.
If I remember correctly, Mao was supported by Stalin. I assume something similar for any other revolution. Outside support is needed.
Look at Syria. Assad was in control and it took massive outside support to let the opposition win. Who is going to support a socialist revolution today?
Not like today, where brains are addicted to TikTok and shopping. Workers could work less but they shop more. That's not considered in the original theory.
Will it reach critical mass?
Exactly. Consumers are trapped there. The left cannot handle this because it absolutely contradicts their mindset. This alone will prevent any further progress towards socialism.
Correct. 'Ignoring the material ones' means ignoring analysis while vibe-based solution corresponds with 'mental issues'. My point is that Broism looks at aspects of the current situation to which the left analysis is blind. Calling it a reaction already frames it as not worth considering.
The left analysis in itself is correct. That doesn't change anything if the consumers are not listening. Knowing the truth is a mental trap if it leads to ineffective action.
Uh no, one wants private ownership of the means of production, the other collective ownership of the means of production. You cant have any analysis of right vs. left without looking at that since that is core to each ideology and everything else revolves around that.
Ok, that's clearer and more to the functional point than unity.
My perspective is that people are driven by emotions. Is ownership something in itself that people want? I would say that it is just a tool.
The "proletarian right"? They're called labor aristocrats and no one cares what they want, they're the bourgies' lackeys. They are not on the side of the people.
The far right can fuck off.
While a large state is not ideal, a small state that represses the people is the epitome of oligarchy.
A repressive small state is a strawman. Done right a small state is not repressive.
Done correctly (in the left way), yes. But I have zero faith in that the small - but thoroughly surveilling - fascist state of the USA will do that. They in fact will try to increase the government and entrench on the few liberties the Americans still had.
I agree. My point is that the right-wing workers also don't want a fascist state. Thus there is common ground to prevent it together.
You raging for the machine?