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[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 day ago

Not everyone buys a separate device for their children or knows how to/can set up a user account.

[-] serenissi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Then why tf a game is responsible for their monetory loss? Children are susceptible to many more scams. And on top of that taking such privacy invasive 'measure' to solve it doesn't make sense either. Children can even upload patent's ids if parents are so careless anyway.

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 8 hours ago

Regardless of who's responsible, children should not be gambling. Why is everyone magnifying "responsibility"? Scamming children is illegal and having them gamble is/should also be illegal. I'll also link you https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/14325340.

Children can even upload patent's ids

  1. We don't even know they're gonna use IDs to verify. Steam just uses a birthdate dropdown to comply with legal things.
  2. No, it takes a lot more carelessness for children to be able to find parents' IDs in the wild.
[-] serenissi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Scamming children is illegal. Solution isn't banning children or requiring id to compromise others' privacy too (who for example play without gambling). This whole thing is bs.

  1. people store id in their phone most of the time.
[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Again, this is gambling, and gambling is not scamming. What else do you propose to fix providing gambling services to children?

people store id in their phone most of the time.

No. Everyone Gen X and Y that I know of have passports in a cabinet and IDs in a wallet.

[-] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Ignorance is not an excuse for bad parenting.

Damn, got 'em. Actually, they deserve to lose $16,000 while raising a gambling addict because they didn't pull up their bootstraps and micromanage everything their preteen does in "that colorful game they play."

Mate, asking under-13s to get parent permission is provoking that good parenting you seem to care about anyway—what on earth is the problem?

[-] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago

Parental controls (or just not inputting card details into a phone the child has access to) is a fairly effective way to prevent the child spending the parent's money without then knowing. Micromanagement is not typically considered good parenting; however showing interest in, and having some knowledge of, what your child spends significant time doing is.

[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago

Do you have children and have you had to use parental controls for some games? The controls largely suck so much and just end up being a source of endless frustration. They are not what I would call effective.

[-] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 19 hours ago

Preventing purchases should (as far as I am aware, is) be an app store level setting on mobile devices. Parental controls should be better than they currently are, but ID requirements (or other PII) are not the solution.

Okay. So is requiring under-13s to ask their parents. I don't see what the issue is.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

the issue is forcing everyone for giving up sensitive personal information.

Okay. So argue about that then. What does bad parenting have to do with it?

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

this law is the result of bad parenting. if parents would parent, nothing like this would be needed

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 hour ago

criminals are the result of bad rearing. if people weren't poor and parents would parents, no criminal laws would be needed

Wow. The world sucks then, doesn't it?

[-] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 21 hours ago

Not everyone buys a separate device for their children or knows how to/can set up a user account.

This comment is a parenting related issue, the technicality illiterate might forget to take the proper precautions when letting their child use their phone and blame the game instead of taking responsibility for their actions.

No, you're making it one to sidestep an issue.

If this bad parenting happens often enough to be a real problem, then whining into the wind that "no one has any common sense anymore," or whatever you're doing, isn't a solution.

I do blame the game a little because it's a game that really, really, really wants you to spend money on diamond gem funbucks.

Let me ask you this question, hm? You don't want to show your ID even though we all do that for alcohol—fine. Why not: $80 up front, all banners are periodic DLCs, some of them free, there is more than enough korok seeds in game to get all of them, and they never expire—infinite time to twiddle your thumbs before completing them. Would this not solve your ID problem?

That is, unless you would like to spearhead this global movement to teach underprivileged parents how to configure their phones?

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

If this bad parenting happens often enough to be a real problem, then whining into the wind that "no one has any common sense anymore," or whatever you're doing, isn't a solution.

of course thats not a solution. but what can you do? lawmakers wont make laws that make the parents responsible for their negligence. sometimes it's not even intentional negligence, but that they don't even know what should they do, and how can that be done

I do blame the game a little because it's a game that really, really, really wants you to spend money on diamond gem funbucks.

that's fair, I do too. I also blame all the commercial social networks, if I can call them that way

You don't want to show your ID even though we all do that for alcohol—fine.

just let me remind you that that happens offline, and it is provable if copies are not preserved. normally you just show it and that's it.

That is, unless you would like to spearhead this global movement to teach underprivileged parents how to configure their phones?

if someone cannot properly configure their phones, then they need to be made liable for the consequences their negligence causes.

but what can you do? lawmakers wont make laws ...

You elect lawmakers.

just let me remind you that that happens offline, and it is provable if copies are not preserved.

Fascinating.

if someone cannot properly configure their phones, then they need to be made liable

So, this is exactly the problem I have with you and the other person. It's this contempt you have for your fellow people. It's extremely selfish. This isn't how you talk to your neighbors. You're not getting invited to any cookouts or block parties with this attitude.

If you and I can agree that children shouldn't be in casinos, then they shouldn't be allowed into the casino. I am open to your suggestions.

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