There is no separating capitalism and liberalism because liberalism is the ideology of capitalism. You should read the recommendation from comrade Dessalines. You're arguing for some idealistic version of Liberalism that never existed in the real world. This is not a materialistic view and goes against history itself.

Get specific. My right to freedom of movement from one state to another is detrimental for the collective why?

In the US right now? Probably none. Now if you look at China that can be a problem for example, that's why a milenar system like the Hukou exists. A good example is about rural exodus to urban areas which is a real problem that needs proper tackling, if at a given time it is needed to be controlled, then individual liberties on that should be restricted until the issue is fixed. If that doesn't happen, you end up with what happened here in Brasil, the formation of favelas.

Also, I got more specific in that same paragraph when I talked about the right of free speech and racism as an example.

That’s not true. Unemployment exists and liberals constantly argue to expand welfare and introduce UBI.

You're misunderstanding me here, I didn't meant to use that as actual argument, I was citing that as examples of the propaganda itself. I don't believe these things, I believe the issue is the system. I should have put those between quotation marks, my bad. I'm not gonna respond to the next ones citing that, because I'm not making that argument.

Also, I don't believe UBI is the answer, as it doesn't fix the underlying issue, capitalism itself.

The state won’t do it for you, but the state also won’t censor you in return when you talk about “controversial” stuff like LGBTQ rights, communism, etc.

Except when they do.

If that’s not a compelling enough reason feel free to argue against that specific right.

Here in Brasil, LGBTphobia, racism and nazism are against the law. It's that simple. And that's the bare-minimum.

According to liberalism, for all.

Only on paper, in practice the ones that brought it are the only ones that are free, like I already argued.

Agreed. The type of capitalism liberals consented to was heavily regulated and based on competition.

All capitalism is heavily regulated. Capitalism cannot exist without state intervention. And competition is a lie. Competition naturally leads to monopolization, it is a contradiction of capitalism.

Capitalists are trying to purge the liberals from making reforms and replacing them with fascists, which is pushing people further left from that for better allies.

Capitalism cannot purge liberals, because liberals are proponents of capitalism. Furthermore you seem to think liberalism is opposed to fascism, when historically that has been the exact opposite, every time leftists gathered enough power to challenge the capitalistic system, liberals have turned on us and helped the fascists.

Also related: Malcolm X: White Liberals and Conservatives

The Republicans conserve capitalism because they’re conservative. The Democrats maintain capitalism.

So, the exact same thing?

You need money to run a campaign, it’s impossible for any ideology (no matter how hostile to capitalism) to end up as a major party (at least in our current system) because it requires the capitalists to donate to those parties to have anywhere close to the resources needed to run a campaign.

That's why we marxists don't believe in electoralism, you're literally pointing out how the whole thing is rigged. We believe in revolution. Electoralism is at best a tool to put our ideas out there to the population and further organize the working class.

It’s not a “new” type of liberalism, it’s just centrism.

Bruh. What kind of vibes based analysis is this? Neoliberalism is defined by making the state "smaller" which is done by getting rid of state owned companies, destroying social nets, etc. It is literally capitalism creating new markets for itself by destroying the little the working class might have of rights.

Just look at the proponents of neoliberalism: Reagan, Tatcher and Pinochet.

Yes I can. The majority of liberal voters oppose the genocide. It’s the democrats who are funding it.

These liberals are opposed to the genocide because they have a lick of empathy. Both Democrats and Republicans are pro genocide, because it benefits the US capitalists at home and furthers US's interests in the middle east. Even a younger Joe Biden admitted that, which I already linked.

Don’t blame liberals when capitalists are the ones doing this shit.

Capitalists are doing the genocide. Liberals are enabling them.

Are you genuinely kidding me? Lmfao. You’re so bad faith for no reason!

You said, and I quote: "The genocide in Palestine is wrong because they cannot have a right as individuals". If I'm supposed to interpret that any other way than the way I responded, then you need to rephrase that. My argument is not in bad faith, I'm responding to exactly what you said.

Let’s say a liberal accepts the legitimacy of Israel. The next step is that they’d have to accept the legitimacy of Palestine on equal terms.

You clearly ignore the historical context that I already provided. Israel was a settler colonial project from the get go. That is inseparable from the concept of Israel as a country, therefore you cannot accept the legitimacy of both Israel and Palestine as countries. And anyone that says that is wrong and uninformed on the issue at best, or a genocide apologist at worst.

You cannot make this claim on a vacuum like it doesn't have a truckload of implications behind it. This is a completely idealistic view of the situation and of the world.

Again, you're lacking tangible material analysis.

A liberal may condemn Oct 7 and say the music festivals shouldn’t be a valid target, but that is a rare exception in a one sided war waged on Palestinians by Israelis.

And that is still a wrong argument from the liberals. There shouldn't have been a music festival on fucking occupied territory to begin with. Israel was literally doing a festival while starving and genociding the palestinians, but the moment the palestinians fight back and attack that festival then it is a problem for the liberal.

There no way a liberal could look at the settler violence and decide Palestine doesn’t have the right to violently oppose that.

Just lol. I must have hallucinated the amount of "but do you condemn Hamas" liberals I see on the internet then.

Yep, then people were born into that situation and now wr have to deal with. “Is Israel legitimate?” seems like a bit of a distraction personally when the answer to “are they committing genocide?” is “yes”.

Bullshit. Palestinians have seen their life go to absolute hell in the spam of a single generation. And both questions are valid, because Israel is not a legitimate state and that needs to be acknowledged because the two state solution doesn't exist. The only solution is giving back the land to Palestine.

Also, you ignore how the vast majority of Israel's population is pro-genociding the Palestinians. Hell, there were protests in Israel for the right to rape Palestinians.