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Ukraine Faces A Growing Risk of Outright Military Collapse If No Deal Struck
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Libs thought Ukraine was winning because Russia wasn't gaining ground. It never occurred to them that Russia's strategy has been to deplete Ukraine's strength until they can take as much as they please.
Well how could they conceive of that when in their world Ukraine hasn't suffered a single casualty
Yea i mean Russia was just doing human wave attacks of unarmed people who had never seen a toilet according to reddit.
I don't understand what the problem is.
It is just a month ago I read a dead serious article about Russia now being so short of vehicles that they were riding donkeys and camels into battle.
Before this war I genuinely believed no one could be stupid enough to believe this level of nonsense; the last few years have been particularly illuminating.
Me five years ago: "thank god we have the internet now, and the ability of people to talk with others on the other side of the Earth makes them much less likely to swallow nationalist war propaganda"
Me now: "half of European citizens are fascist white supremacists and at the very least need years worth of reeducation"
Saw somebody say that an explosio in a shopping center in Poland was set by russia to harm the Polish economy and just like... Why? What would be the point of taking an insane risk lile this for the .0000000001% of the economy that any given shopping center provides?
Or the severed communications line line in the baltic. How would that serve any Russian objective (later it was found a civilian vessel dragged an anchor).
Abducting 700,000 kids and rehoming them, or alternately, deporting 700,000 kids. Why? That costs money? What do they stand to gain materially from that?" They'll say it's genocide, but unlike Israel, there isn't any record of Russian officials or church leaders or even a popular front calling for Ukranian genociding. Then these motherfuckers have the gall to accuse us of conspiracy theories.
The media has successfully convinced them to turn off their brains regarding this
To be fair to them, we haven't seen an attritional war strategy enacted since probably Vietnam, and never an attritional war strategy by near peer adversaries in the 21st century.
But on the other hand, all late game TvT ends up becoming attritional, with the player who is most able to efficiently use resources usually winning. Map painting rarely wins you the game unless you are being precise and strategic in what is being painted and where. I distinctly remember calling this strategy when Russia retreated over the river in the South saying that while it was a political disaster, it was absolutely the best military strategic move if the point was to grind down a weaker opponent. Make them take and hold the strategically useless, but politically important land. I was told I was 'coping'.
Wasn't the Syrian Civil war several years of attrition before the rebel coalition mostly collapsed (in the first half)?
Yeah, but that was far more asymmetrical, especially from the U.S. side, where we were mostly drone striking non-cooperative entities and funding cooperative entities to undermine the legitimacy of the Syrian government. From the Syrian side it was attritional, and their strategy worked until they ran out of money to maintain the standing army to the degree needed to keep out a fully funded and backed by Turkish-Isreali funded force, and then were completely obliterated by the Israeli Air Force. Which isn't going to happen to Russia, but could possibly happen to Ukraine, but the effects will be different.
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Terran v.s. Terran in StarCraft 2. Basically the closest equivalent you can get to what mass simulated battles, where resources are gained and expended rapidly from a commander standpoint, look like. The second closest equivalent would be Squad, but there is no resource extraction backline aspect to the game, it is still too focused on individual combat encounters deciding outcomes.
You could also argue that "Foxhole" is actually the best milsim equivalent, but those games move too slowly to analogize for non-gamers, you might as well be watching an actual war unfold, plus there is a whole 'teching' aspect that doesn't actually apply irl, nor aircraft or drone warfare, which is the most prominent aspect of the Ukraine-Russian conflict.
The point is that there are plenty of modern war gaming examples that explain why near-peer conflicts will inevitably turn towards an attritional strategy, and that taking land simply to take it is a terrible strategy.
Ah, okay. Thanks!
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