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Yes, it is true - if you look at the numbers as a whole, China does emit more carbon than America. But what constantly goes artfully elided in these statements is that their carbon emissions PER CAPITA is WAY lower than America’s. Of course they emit more carbon, like four times as many people live there. But what China doesn’t have are single individuals driving military grade gas guzzling SUVs two blocks to buy groceries twice a week. Also, most of their emissions come from industrial plants that produce all of the goods whose production WE OUTSOURCE TO THEM. The only reason their carbon emissions are so high is because western capitalists realized it’d be cheaper to move production there than keep them in the first world. Also, Bernie, who is making a massive investment in green energy? I’ll give you a hint, it’s only one of these countries. So it should be less about “America and China need to put aside their differences and work together”, a statement that tacitly implies that there’s something China isn’t doing that they need to start, and more about “America needs to catch the fuck up to China’s massive pivot toward green energy”.
Chinese are obsessed with big cars just like the US. Many German marques have China exclusive models like “L” version for more popular models which not just longer but also heavier
I never knew that, so thanks for letting me know, but be that as it may, there exists far less car dependent infrastructure in China. In America, that giant car is your only option. In China, you usually have way more sustainable options, which we see reflected in their lower carbon emissions per capita.
True that, they are leading the EV game. Even Audi is forming a JV with state-owned SAIC. I believe Volkswagen is doing the same thing with another Chinese EV company.
EVs still cars, still bad.
But China is also leading the micromobility game, with fast, cheap, and powerful escooters, EUCs, eskate, and so on.
cars are not inherently bad, it's only bad when you have a government that entirely expect people to rely on cars as a transport. I would argue for big countries like US and China, car is still the way to go. But public infrastructure ie. public transport has to keep up as well to give people an option. A
lso micromobility only works in urban centres. I live in suburbs myself, i can kinda use my e-scooter as a last mile transport solution but anything more than 5km i would say it's a bit of a stretch.
cars are inherently bad demolish the suburbs
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The vast majority of people in China don't own cars and don't live in suburbs, most people live in apartment complexes where everyday services are within 20 minutes walk from their building.
Like American car culture is completely unsustainable in China. China right now has a 1/4 of the per capita car ownership of the US and they have some of the worst congestion in the world. Beijing and many other large cities only allow people to drive their cars two or three days out of the week. They base it off the last number on your license plate, and the cops will stop and potentially impound your car if you are driving on the wrong day. And this policy has like 90% support becuase of how bad traffic is otherwise.
Cars fucking suck, and the only reason they don't is that we've designed a world where they're necesay.
Edit: "Big countries" like us and china are exactly the places that could most benefit from non-car infrastructure. Having high-speed-rail connect the country instead of highways is in all ways a better solution.
It is a more efficient way of transporting both goods and people, with less maintenance required, and expansion being less costly, and space being less of a demand.
The only thing cars are optimal for is "last mile delivery" and even then there is often a better solution - micromobility like bikes, escooters and the like for people.
The only reason we think cars are "good" is because they solve issues that come as a result of making a csr-centric society.
ok, don't drive or ride in a car then
What part of this is it that you dont understand?
but you are contributing to the problem? don't be a hypocrite.
every single time you use the car, think of the animals etc that you are harming. the greenhouse gases especially
Yes surely we can make individual solutions to systemic issues
yes, we can all play our part. reduce usage of cars at least? or take public transport more that's what i'm doing.
Good for you - I bike nearly everywhere and if that's not possible I take public transport.
These actions does not in any way change the underlying structural issues. They are not a solution, at best they can be described as patch-work.
My biking to work doesn't change the facts that we've designed a world reliant on cars, which is the only reason why we think cars don't suck. But cars are a necessity for quote a large part of the population. Posing individual solutions like "I just don't do it" does not change this fact. Using a car because it is necessary, despite hating cars is not hypocrisy.
Solving this issue that is the car-reliant society requires structural change, not individual solutions.
I was thinking more along the lines of trains and other public transportation options.