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[NoOnesLaughingNow] Secret Power and Secret Weakness
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When you ban discussion related to a conspiracy or make it illegal to be a DENIER of said event ... you are basically confirming the conspiracy as correct.
By this logic, Holocaust in Germany didn't happen as it's illegal there to deny it. I get your point, but it's flawed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_consequences
No, its not flawed. I know many people here in the US that are holocaust deniers based solely on the fact that it is illegal in most of Europe.
You honestly cannot do research to prove portions of the holocaust records could be wrong without risking imprisonment.
It's not illegal in most of Europe. If you say it in most of Europe in polite company you'll get punched most likely, but you won't get arrested.
It's literally only Germany which have made it illegal for the fairly obvious reasons
It's not just Germany, it is17 countries. That's most of Europe.
The laws don't always say "it is illegal to deny the holocaust" ... but you have to look at the way libel laws are used. Britain actually convicts on counts of libel for holocaust denial (see historian David Irving). They have laws on incitement to hatred and offensive communication that are used should one post a story that mentions holocaust denial (see Allison Chabloz).
My point still stands. Seeing all those countries with laws like this could make a reasonable person suspicious.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/2wrmiy/countries_with_laws_against_holocaust_denial/
David Irving | Wikipedia
I don't get why there are people denying this when so much has been recorded and with the large amount of witness testimony
I am defending no one and taking no side. I'm just pointing out that there are laws against denying the holocaust all across Europe.
These laws are harsh and will actually hit researchers that even try and dispute the number of victims ... unless they are making the number larger. It is a fish tale. No doubt a fish was caught, but there is no way possible it was 11 million feet long.
Wow David Irving is a twat. Here's a poem he wrote for his infant daughter
Yep. But he shouldn't go to prison over being a twat.
Denying is maybe illegal but questioning it is not.
So get your facts straight.
My facts are straight. Questioning it is the same as denying it in most, if not all, of those 17 European countries where there are holocaust denial laws.
Professors and researchers get threatened when they suggest that it was actually Russians that did a lot of the killing. They get arrested when the point to the Pogroms that saw every religion being attacked.
It is what it is. 17 countries in Europe have "holocaust denial" laws ... and that is suspect to a lot of people.
If it suddenly became illegal to openly state that aliens may exist ... many would see this as a cover up and confirmation.
In certain people's heads, anything is possible.