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submitted 6 days ago by juliebean@lemm.ee to c/meta@lemm.ee

since lemm.ee is slated to be gone soon, does anyone know of any other instances with similar policies regarding defederation? i've always loved how i can follow communities basically wherever from here. it's why i chose here over elsewhere. i just wanna be able to curate my own feed, but most big instances seem to have all these complicated beefs that mean i'd lose access to some communities if i moved there.

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[-] Aliveelectricwire@hexbear.net 0 points 6 days ago

Come to hexbear.net! We aren't a bunch of scary online tankie, we will answer questions asked in good faith, and most of us do real political organizing! We also have the best emotes of any instances.

kitty-birthday-sad it is literally my birthday so come on over 2 hexbear kitty-birthday-sad

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago

sorry I already finished middle school, why would I want to go back there

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago

Hexbear houses some of the worst people I have ever experienced on Lemmy. Do not go there unless you are truly toxic.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

Hexbear is friendly and cool.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Strong disagreement there. Hexbear users frequently brush against liberals and anti-Communists, but as an actual space it's not toxic at all, in my experience. If you consider yourself a Marxist or Anarchist, you'll probably fit in well, if not then you won't, simple as that.

The real thing is that lemm.ee has very minimal defederation, but Hexbear uses defederation quite deliberately to curate a safe space for marginalized comrades, and doesn't tolerate liberalism, so it isn't a replacement for lemm.ee outright, just a good option.

[-] dipshit@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago

This you?

I think they were talking about people like that, people like you.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yep, someone was being genuinely racist, talking about how Chinese people live in filth and their infrastructure is held up with duct tape, that they eat fake meat and fake tofu, etc. There's a difference between critique of the CPC and veering off into racism, which is why I reported the comments, and then got banned for it for a day. This was the comment:

Dont need to travel to see that chinese people live in poverty, anything can be done when you are a dictatorship, its corrupt and everything is a scam. Fake meat, fake tofu, tofu drag constructions, 4 billion on a road and all the village got was a gravel path. Where a state teaches kids to hate other nations and disrespect everything for something that happened 80 years ago instead of making sure this does not ever happen again. Where its a national sport to go abroad and harass others. Where the state doesnt care about your stolen things, but if you speak out publicly against it, you will be warned with a kind “take that down, or else”. If their electric cars are anything to go by, i dont even want to step on their most modern trains even if they give me trillions of GBP. If the regime is supposed to be an example of progress, well guess then we all should go back to european monarchy and imperialism. Europe thrived in the 19th century afterall. Just look at all those rich people living luxurious lifes. All the advancements in science, medicine, transportation, literatur, architectur, social policies, unification of people split appart and more. If i were to travel to china they would arrest me on the airport for critisising china and not seeing the CCP as legitimite and supporting taiwan, that being if i would even be allowed to enter the country. The USA train system is shit, yes, thats not even on debate. Against that even the russian train system is amazing. Also china didnt build its high speed trains on their own. They used EU and japanese tech. Japan has the best train system in the entire world, and that without being a supressive, all survaling dictatorship. OP here is comparing shit, scooped from the toilet, to a microwave meal, that got a mediocer plate up. Ofc then in comparison the microwave meal will look better.

The majority of the comment is baseless chauvanism of Chinese people themselves, not their government, such as when they say that the "national sport is to harrass other nations" or that "they eat fake tofu, fake meat, etc." There were many other comments on that thread that weren't thinly veiled racism, but still attacked the CPC, which I didn't report, I reported this person specifically because the comment uses "criticism of the CPC" as a veil for racism. Even if the mods disagreed, reporting three such comments from the same person is not report abuse.

If you scroll to the bottom of my modlog, you can sse that I got banned from playstation@lemmy.zip for "racism." What happened, was the moderator made a rant about DEI in video games, and I called them out on it. They threw a tantrum, banned me, then deleted their account, leaving playstation@lemmy.zip unmoderated and dead.

The point is, don't trust the modlog too much, if no context is linked. Comment removals are trustworthy, ban reasons need more investigation if they aren't accompanied by examples. In this case, I'd say the moderators actually outted themselves by punishing me for reporting content that can absolutely be seen as racist, even if they disagreed. They could have ignored the reports, but chose to say that it's a bannable offense to report this content.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It looks like he was calling out racism. Do you think mods can't be racist?

[-] dipshit@lemm.ee 0 points 6 days ago

Criticism of the CCP alone is not racist, reporting it as racism is report abuse.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 7 points 6 days ago

Americans often launder their racism as political critique. Hexbears are critical of the CCP themselves and they can tell the difference.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It wasn't criticism of the CPC alone. This was the comment:

Dont need to travel to see that chinese people live in poverty, anything can be done when you are a dictatorship, its corrupt and everything is a scam. Fake meat, fake tofu, tofu drag constructions, 4 billion on a road and all the village got was a gravel path. Where a state teaches kids to hate other nations and disrespect everything for something that happened 80 years ago instead of making sure this does not ever happen again. Where its a national sport to go abroad and harass others. Where the state doesnt care about your stolen things, but if you speak out publicly against it, you will be warned with a kind “take that down, or else”. If their electric cars are anything to go by, i dont even want to step on their most modern trains even if they give me trillions of GBP. If the regime is supposed to be an example of progress, well guess then we all should go back to european monarchy and imperialism. Europe thrived in the 19th century afterall. Just look at all those rich people living luxurious lifes. All the advancements in science, medicine, transportation, literatur, architectur, social policies, unification of people split appart and more. If i were to travel to china they would arrest me on the airport for critisising china and not seeing the CCP as legitimite and supporting taiwan, that being if i would even be allowed to enter the country. The USA train system is shit, yes, thats not even on debate. Against that even the russian train system is amazing. Also china didnt build its high speed trains on their own. They used EU and japanese tech. Japan has the best train system in the entire world, and that without being a supressive, all survaling dictatorship. OP here is comparing shit, scooped from the toilet, to a microwave meal, that got a mediocer plate up. Ofc then in comparison the microwave meal will look better.

The majority of the comment is baseless chauvanism of Chinese people themselves, not their government, such as when they say that the "national sport is to harrass other nations" or that "they eat fake tofu, fake meat, etc." There were many other comments on that thread that weren't thinly veiled racism, but still attacked the CPC, which I didn't report, I reported this person specifically because the comment uses "criticism of the CPC" as a veil for racism. Even if the mods disagreed, reporting three such comments from the same person is not report abuse.

If you scroll to the bottom of my modlog, you can sse that I got banned from playstation@lemmy.zip for "racism." What happened, was the moderator made a rant about DEI in video games, and I called them out on it. They threw a tantrum, banned me, then deleted their account, leaving playstation@lemmy.zip unmoderated and dead.

The point is, don't trust the modlog too much, if no context is linked. Comment removals are trustworthy, ban reasons need more investigation if they aren't accompanied by examples. In this case, I'd say the moderators actually outted themselves by punishing me for reporting content that can absolutely be seen as racist, even if they disagreed. They could have ignored the reports, but chose to say that it's a bannable offense to report this content.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Do you not see forum moderators as people who have their own agendas and biases or do you think that something like that can be read uncritically?

And secondly, you're getting real Aaron Sorkin pompous over something that boils down to "they report false positives on the subject of racism" and it just makes you look bad

[-] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago

i dont agree anarchists fit in, i love it from the outside cause theres some great memes and yall can be very funny, but then a lot of people start defending governments guilty of subjugation and shit.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

It's a Left Unity space, plus historically Anarchists and Marxists work together more often than not. The Anarchists on Hexbear can speak for why they enjoy it.

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

We push back against imperialist propaganda blitzes against official enemy states, so yeah, probably not suitable for most anarchists.

[-] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

if not then you won’t

to curate a safe space

doesn’t tolerate

Yeah sounds like a good option for those of us looking to move to the exact opposite of lemm.ee then

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago

That's why I said at the end that it's a very different instance than lemm.ee. I was pushing against the idea that Hexbear is filled with the worst types of people, which is wrong.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

You say that like your instance isn't so toxic that your admins gave up maintaining it

[-] Aliveelectricwire@hexbear.net -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Counter point: I'm a drunk cute Dog girl doggirl-hi I'm the special birthday girl, yr a weirdo who is obsessed with oppressing others for inexcusable cheap treats,and it's my special day!!! doggirl-gloom UwU

Yr toxic to call my instance toxic for not just rebuking our certifiable facts/emotional labor. But mostly for being mean to the Gemini borzoi!!! doggirl-smug

Send me money n I'll use it for means testing, DM yr cashapp, social fash. GG

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[-] hobovision@lemm.ee -1 points 6 days ago

I genuinely can't tell if you're doing a bit?

[-] juliebean@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

hexbear is fun and all, but i'd rather just visit. too many other places defederate from ya'll, for reasons which are quite beyond my ken.

and happy birfday! 🎉

[-] oyo@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

When I posted there in good faith all I got were death threats.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

Doesn't seem to be the case, looks like you got into one fight regarding electoralism but you've even been upvoted on Hexbear in numerous other occasions.

[-] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I prefer an instance that is unaligned in the lemmy civil war between the auth left and left libs. Using a hexbear, 'grad or ml account would instantly brandmark me in literally any conversation whilst most pure lib instances censor auth left content.

Overall I prefer to get both sides opinions and then make my own unaligned one

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

The struggle with such a standpoint is that both Marxists and Liberals have (to a varying degrees) coherent systems of values and understandings. For Marxists, as an example, Dialectical and Historical Materialism is the baseline, while liberals tend to be more idealist and deny aspects of class struggle. If you agree with either premise, then other conclusions necessarily follow.

Plus, I don't really think labeling Marxists as "auth" makes sense. All states are "auth," as all states are instruments of class oppression, but the class in charge is what makes the biggest impact on how society is run. Liberalism is "auth" as the bourgeoisie rules, Marxism is "auth" as the proletariat rules. It is only by abolishing class that the state can be abolished, and class can only be abolishef by sublimating all forms of property ownership into common, public ownership.

Either way, tangent aside, I recommend finding instances that match your interest, rather than strictly broad federation. Mander.xyz is a great example of an instance based on science, but it also has broad federation. Check Join-Lemmy.

[-] Edie@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

If you agree with either premise, then other conclusions necessarily follow

Nah, I'm in the middle, I'm not one of those, I agree with Dialectical and Historical Idealism. (/j)

Ok, the historical part is just basic liberalism, but I'm not sure about Dialectical Idealism.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

I've been reading a bit of Hegel and authors like Plekhanov's The Significance of Hegel. If liberals genuinely grasped dialectics to the level of Hegel, they'd most likely just be Marxists and drop the idealism. Hegel's thought was a specific product of his conditions and his time, to the point where looking back at him and his thought the jump to Materialism feels obvious, but Marx's advancements were quite revolutionary at the time.

Basically, there are a very small number of people who accept dialectics and follow Hegelian thought over Marxist thought, as compared to Marxism. Would be an interesting stance to take in a world after Marx.

[-] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

I agree with the points you make. Of course both Marxism and Liberalism is auth to a degree but I think that both the council republic and the single party state are both more directly auth whilst liberal systems tend to be more indirectly auth - through influencing the media & ~~corruption~~ "LoBbYiSm".

Thanks for the mander tip, I might decide between mander and .zip since .zip has broad federation too and multiple frontends and was also recommended a lot.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

What do you mean by "directly auth?" If people have a greater degree of political freedom in one party proletarian states than in multiparty states where the bourgeoisie is in control, it seems freedom is greater for more people in the proletarian states. I think the whole "auth" concept is flawed to begin with.

[-] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

By directly auth I mean that someone with a political interest only needs to have ties to high class party members. By indirectly auth I mean that the same person needs to have ties + smh needs to make sure that the person / person's party actually gets reelected the way Musk has been doing it in the US and the way he has tried to do so in multiple European countries.

And as someone born into a GDR family I could add something to freedom but yeah. We were loyal enough and had someone in the party so we had more freedom than most GDR families... And tbh, life - as long as you were loyal - was, according to my fam, pretty chill with people being nicer because of less stress to compete for shit. They even say now they want socialism back.

The thing is I can be disloyal now, say that I vote for the communists even tho I live in a capitalist society and face no reprocussions even without having political connections. Travel wherever the fuck I want - to North Korea if I want to. So yeah. I want this system of "who tf cares" but without the greedy capitalists and the fucking corrupt opportunists but yeah. I mean the average middle class Chinese can visit capitalist nations so they fixed that problem.

Tbh I have been writing and thinking how to explain myself for so long that my adhd ass brain lost track of what I initially wanted to say...

Ah tldr something like: if peops have the freedom of movement and speech a communist system would be pretty chill but in the past freedom of movement was connected to having someone in the party - at least in the GDR

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

It's important to contextualize, though. Restrictions of some speech in Socialist countries is usually a defense against outside influences, where Capitalists dominate. Capitalist systems don't appear to restrict speech as much because the only ones that control it are wealthy Capitalists, you can speak out as much as you want but none of that has any power.

[-] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

I agree with that point.

I would love it more if we could fix the issue by having the population informed of the consequences of capitalism and extensive consumerism but even I have to doubt that that would work on it's own and that people would still be lured by the false promises of everybody becoming a millionaire and "trickle down".

Anyways thank you for taking the time / dedication to chat with me, I rlly enjoyed it!

Stay healthy and hydrated! :3

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago
[-] oyo@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

I guess several people saying they would kill me if they ever met me irl, and claiming their statements were "real, actionable threats" is just a typical online fight in a healthy community.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

I didn't see any of that when glancing through your comments on Hexbear, mind providing an example with the context?

[-] tocopherol@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

big-cool chicken-bop bird-bouncy no instance can ever beat the hex emotes and happy birthday! bird-bouncy

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 0 points 6 days ago

We aren't a bunch of scary online tankie,

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