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Maybe tazing someone isn't the best idea. There are other methods of suppression.
Also once it doesnt work, most police forces in most civilized places know how to take a man down without shooting him up, even if he is trying to take your gun. Its only in the US that cops seem to think fuck any semblance of a threat means I can start blasting people to timbuktu
How would you suppress a guy that just swam in crocodile infested waters and shrugged off a crocodile bite?
Maybe the cops should have tried to ask the erratic, violent meth head trying ti steal their rifles to calm down nicely?
I've worked with people that put down much more dangerous subjects than some meth head. I've taken part in such operations myself as well.
For any person not armed with a firearm or bladed weapon the answer is simple: You keep them contained without committing to an engagement until you have a sufficient number of people on site (2-4 guys should be enough), then you swarm them with batons and pepper spray. Even the beefiest guy in the world will hit the ground after a solid round of pepper spray and a couple good whacks to the legs and body when they have three guys hanging onto them.
If they have a bladed weapon you do the same thing, but make sure you get vests, longer batons, and more guys. The key is that you want to swarm and overwhelm the subject from all sides in such a way that you can force them to the ground without any individual grappling with them alone.
In all cases, the subject is likely to try to single out individuals in order to attack. Use a baton, pepper spray, a frontal kick, or "running away" in order to keep them contained until you can swarm them. Treat the them like a trapped animal: You want to make sure they can never single out anyone to attack, by constantly controlling distance while you circle them in.
This shit isn't hard. I've worked with 19-year olds that mastered it. These cops fucked up colossally if a meth head was able to start wrestling one of them over control of a gun. This just shows that arming the police with firearms in situations where they aren't necessary just makes the situation more dangerous for everyone involved. If the meth head gets control of the gun... they now have a gun. An unarmed meth head can be dealt with without bringing a gun to the scene in the first place.
Are you under the impression that the US is the only country with meth? Literally every country mentioned has to deal with meth heads, I assure you. None of them gun those people down. It's a person having a medical emergency, not a rabid animal on the loose.
Tons of disarming techniques have been available in martial arts to the world for centuries.
With handcuffs? lol. Do you think that handcuffs just magically don’t work if you’ve been doing drugs?
I mean a crocodile and a taser didn’t stop him, I don’t think they would have easily been able to restrain him let alone get close enough to do so without being injured.
But it’s fine, I’m not gonna argue this anymore. I’m not gonna convince you otherwise, especially if you’ve never seen a psycho meth head.
It’s not PCP. He’s still feeling pain. And police in other countries manage to stop people just fine. Some 19 year old in Germany, not even a police officer, stopped a knife attack the other day. That’s an instance of someone literally trying to kill people and a kid was able to stop them without resorting to guns. It’s a policeman’s job to literally get hurt to protect the populace. If they can’t do that then what point are they. What are we paying them for? Killing people?
Dont think cops should have rifles to begin with, and if they didnt there wouldn't be any to steal.
Secondly there's more than one cops, and they are ostensibly trained, though I know that might be going too far. I think 4 or 5 of them should be able to successfully neutralize even a meth head without killing them. People are way too blase about cops just having the ability and immunity to just kill people. Whether or not they're drug addicts
In order for cops not to have rifles the general population should not be allowed to have rifles. But being that is not the case then I think they are justified in carrying rifles.
That doesn’t mean I think people should have rifles. Before I get bombarded here, it’s just the reality that they have them and that’s not changing anytime soon.