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Don't buy leather. Cows are sentient beings with their own subjective experience. Actions that inflict unnecessary harm upon others should be reconsidered.
If you downvote, you must have a justification for buying leather and I'd love to hear it.
If cows were given the chance, they would eat me and use my skin as pants, for when they go to the club.
so you pay others to kill cows to feel superior?
Every billionaire ever fyi.
No they would not. If you don't want someone to skim you, why would you do it to someone else?
Also the fact that cows obviously don't wear pants and they are herbivores so they would not eat meat anyways.
Justification: I like to eat cows, they taste good. Might as well use the skin when the animal is killed anyway. Also leather is a really good material for a lot of things.
I love meat, I like a good leather jacket. I want a world where we take good care of our animals, take no more than we need and then use the entire animal as efficiently as possible. Reality however is a lot more cruel and wasteful. It is everyone's personal choice but I chose to stop purchasing cow and pig products.
You don't need leather or meat. You are taking more than you need. You should really watch dominion so you can see that you absolutely don't take good care of the animals. A personal choice does not inflict harm on others. We should aim to minimize cruelty and wastefulness.
How is that a justification? You wouldn't use that logic on humans.
Second. I am a carnivore.
the harsh truth of this existence is that some life kills other life. its just the way it is. from the cellular level all the way up to orcas killing seals. its natural and fine imo. of course we shouldn't go out of our way to inflict unnecessary pain and suffering. but if im going to eat a cow which i do regularly, then im also going to use every part of the cow because its the right thing to do. including its skin to make myself a nice leather knife sheath or a nice pair of leather boots. leather is an excellent material for all kinds of things humans can use.
Why do you think it's wrong to waste part of a cow? It's clear you think they deserve moral consideration, but you don't need leather or meat, so it is automatically unnecessary pain and suffering. Many terrible things happen in nature, rape and killing and eating babies etc. We don't use what happens in nature as moral justification.
We are part of nature.
Right so we still have to decide whether or not rape and murder are morally okay considering it happens elsewhere in nature. If someone else does something, does that make it okay to do it to another person?
is it morally right to destroy thousands of acres of land to grow soy? what about the animals that used to call that place home? the only way to live a life free of any moral infractions is to die on the spot. i choose my moral infractions as wisely as possible. my meat comes from a local butcher that practices circular agriculture. is it perfect? no something must still die so i can live. but something must die so you can live as well. i just don't sit on a high horse and pretend im better than others.
edit: im also currently in the process off acquiring a firearms license as i live in northern Ontario and the hunting is good here. so pretty soon i will be acquiring my own meat in what is in my opinion, the most moral way possible. i will hunt for my own meat. the animal will have lived a beautiful life in nature where it belongs, right up until the moment i kill it. i will use every piece of the animal to feed myself, my family, and my friends.
77% of the soy grown is fed to livestock. If the world went vegan, we could reduce total farmland by 70%. The other thing is as science develops, with perfect farming methods, vegans would cause zero deaths, whereas animal farmers are always going to be killing animals intentionally. You should minimize the harm you cause. A cow doesn't care if it was murdered locally or not. All these businesses that pretend to sell an ethical animal product are scamming people with trivial labels. The animals you murder are living their own lives, why take that from them? Deer have families too. Hunting is also totally not practical for a significant portion of the population to do. Farming plants can feed the planet without destroying the it. The animals you kill are living beings with their own experience.