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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Christianity and the Democratic Party.

[-] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 month ago

When did any religion deserve respect?

Sure, respect the person (to a point), but not the belief in fairytales

Same goes for any superstitious woo

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Things are different when you're raised in it.

[-] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 month ago

Indoctrination is fucked

If people waited until kids were actually capable of reasoned thought before bringing up the idea of religion, it'd die out within a generation

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 month ago

Whether you agree with religion or not, religious groups do a lot of good in the world on a daily basis.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sure, but religion arguably does just as bad if not worse in all kinds of areas.

It touches on everything from the warped understanding of the world, to superficial gestures of kindness for loyalty in return, to substituting health care with dangerous consequences, to giving criminals a clear conscience, it promotes hateful group thinking, subjects their followers to paths of radicalization or extremism, it both promotes & is used as a tool for suppression and subjugation of others, etc, etc. Yes, religion can do good, but the underbelly is hideous.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

The underbelly of human institutions are generally hideous. This does not change the fact that religious groups do good in the world daily, and that work wouldn't be done otherwise if we simply removed religion all together.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Well, how about we flip it: why are secular organizations not recognized for the work they do? I mean, why are religious institutions getting all the credit as if they were inherently more virtuous?

The only advantage religion has is its active community that propels initiatives as part of a grand ideal. I don't think the actual work would go undone if the project had already been established from the overwhelming support of an existing secular community. Helping others is, after all, human nature.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

Numerous secular organizations get credit for the work they do. Religious isn't more virtuous.

Go cry about your feelings elsewhere

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, after they established a reputation and many years of hard work. Religious orgs don't need to do all that. They show a spiritual symbol and everybody assumes they're doing the Lord's work.

Go cry about your feelings elsewhere

I think you got emotional and started projecting. But don't get confused now and start breaking rule 1.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

Nope not emotional, just tired of your whining about how secular organizations get no credit and religious get it without asking even though there is a pile of evidence to the contrary, and I told you to take it elsewhere.

Apologies if that hurt your feelings.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh, now it's whining! First, I'm emotional, but then you realize that backfires, and now I'm whining.

And my feelings are hurt. 😂 Sorry but I feel like laughing with all this. Loud, obnoxious laughter would be the emotion I'm feeling right now.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago
[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

More obnoxious laughter followed

[-] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 month ago

They do good despite their superstition, not because of it

They'd be just as capable of doing good things without their invisible sky-daddy

Religious groups also do horrific things every day.

Religion is used to justify the worst things

People will always find a way to excuse their shitty behaviour, but religion gets something of a free pass because too many people want their cosmic insurance policy, so they forgive the evils of religion

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 month ago

How do you know any of them would do any of the good things they do without religion guiding them?

Non religious groups do horrific things every day.

Numerous things are used to justify atrocities including our global economic structures, education systems, etc.

No matter what people will do horrendous things and justify them however they see fit. Religious people do good and evil because of their faith and they are no different than anyone else doing those things for their own reasons.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

they are no different than anyone else doing those things for their own reasons

They are absolutely different, because in some major religions, devotion is rewarded or promised heavily in the afterlife, which creates a great incentive. These people are more likely to become radicalized or extremists, often going out of their way to impose their worldview on others through harassment, aggression, or influence. I'll point to Mother Theresa, who inflicted so much pain on others when she thought she was doing good, often withholding pain medicine and other treatments. She said suffering is what God intended, and so she did... unto others.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

You can respond to my whole comment if you wish for me to respond to you. You didn't even quote the whole sentence.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Religious people do good and evil because of their faith and they are no different than anyone else doing those things for their own reasons.

They are absolutely different, because in some major religions, devotion is rewarded or promised heavily in the afterlife, which creates a great incentive. These people are more likely to become radicalized or extremists, often going out of their way to impose their worldview on others through harassment, aggression, or influence. I’ll point to Mother Theresa, who inflicted so much pain on others when she thought she was doing good, often withholding pain medicine and other treatments. She said suffering is what God intended, and so she did… unto others.

There you go. You're more preoccupied with ceremony than substance because your substance has run thin.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago
[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

No, it's whatever you say, my Sweet Prince.

[-] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 month ago

The Sikh do yes, I don't trust the rest of the religious "good works" one bit. i read your argument here now and then but I don't believe it.

[-] skvlp@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

And religious groups and individuals also do a whole lot of destructive, demented and fucked up acts of evil.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

So do non religious people. Pretty easy to see the common denominator wouldn't you say?

[-] skvlp@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

My point was not to say that non religious people are all saints, but to balance out your previous point where you praised religion without nuance.

Of course the common denominator is people. And it’s pretty easy to see how religion is a powerful tool for these people to do evil, wouldn’t you say?

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I think you're not taking into account its hierarchical nature founded on unquestioning obedience, and the unearned & inherent facade of trust it has for some people. These tools aren't available for the non-religious which is very enabling if your goal is to exploit. And exploit they have.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

I think your not taking into account the hundreds of religions there are in the world, and making blanket statements about "all religious people" is at best ignorant.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I want to specify that I'm taking about all the dominant religions in the West with known charities like the Salvation Army. I don't particularly know or care about the Hare Krishna who gather downtown once a year offering free food with an ulterior motive and practically no noticeable social impact for anyone other than themselves, for example.

I don't think I could talk about all religions in the world, but I can safely talk about major trends and commonalities. That does not make me ignorant.

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

I know you were only talking about the "safe" religions to criticize. That was my point.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

What, is that supposed to be a zinger? I'd criticize any religion, but the only religions immediately around me with any noticeable impact are Catholics and La Luz del Mundo. I don't care to talk about hypotheticals or extreme cases because those are unproductive. Or tell, why are you keen on talking about the exceptions to the rule?

[-] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago
[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Oh, of course I don't.

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