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I don't think prison should be punitive, but I REALLY don't think jail should be punitive. You haven't been proven guilty of anything when you're in jail.
All of the food served in prison/jail is dogshit and it's not ok. Edible food is a human right. People with ethically based diet restrictions should be protected the same way that religiously based diet restrictions are.
Belief in a make believe sky-daddy doesn't make one persons ethical dietary choices more important than another's. Maybe the Satanic Temple can step in and help out the incarcerated vegans. That seems up their alley.
Yes from everything I hear American prisons are all around horrible (by first world standards). This doesn't seem surprising.
You're there to be punished by your freedom of movement being taken away. Not by being forced to eat inedible food.
If prisons are going to get nutritious food, then school children need to get it first.
Yes, you're right. They should both get nutritious food. It's not a competition. Everyone under care of the state should get nutritious, decent food. In fact even those that aren't under care of the state should.
Sysco provides the food to both in many cases.
... Or Aramark
Shudders
They both should, this should be the bare minimum for being a human existing in society.
How about: at least in my town at police department holding cells, they make you pay and they go get takeout. There’s no legitimate reason to not offer a choice of takeout
I'm hesitant to say PINO but there is definitely a cadre of folks who want (for example) food and shelter for the homeless and for their enemies to starve to death in a ditch.
This has been repeated in case studies around the world since then but the Nuremberg Trials were the first public use of "But of course the other officers at Auschwitz were terrible people but I am not a terrible person!" The psychology would be interesting if it weren't so frikkin horrific. But I suspect SBF isn't that so much as a complete and total narcissist and sociopath.
Some of these "enemies" dehumanise themselves very easily. Narcisistic sociopaths who actively and openly brag about manipulating "idiots", saying they're the best shit to ever grace the earth and downplay their crimes while laughing all the way to the bank to withdraw ill gotten gains? Yeah, real hard to believe they'd ever want to redeem themselves.
Couple that with the general feeling that rich assholes always get lightly punished whenever they're caught and it's even easier to understand the bloodlust for "proper punishment" against them.
I think it has more to do with rich people getting away with murder because they are rich while homeless people getting the worst punishment for stealing a loaf of bread or sleeping on a bench.
And the rest of society getting sick and tired of it, so I see their sentiment.
I don't believe in capital punishment though, let alone a death sentence.
The thing is, if the rich are getting treated like this in prison, surely it's going to be even worse for literally anyone else.
It already is
When you consider "let X rot in jail" as "capital punishment", count me in.
Hell yeah there should be support for capital punishment.
Do you really expect a jail to cook things in butter? If they could get away with it, they would probably cook things in waste oil from the next garage.
True enough, but it was just an example. More likely something like mashed potato will have milk or other dairy. Even vegetarian nutriloaf might not qualify as vegan.
Point is not everything that starts out vegan ends up vegan on the plate.
Most margarine isn't vegan either.
It isn't? What do they put in there to make it non-vegan? The whole idea was to get rid of the expensive animal parts...
They usually contain buttermilk or whey (on top of vegetable fat of some kind). They won't be vegan unless they specifically say they are.
Seriously, this comment section makes me want to leave Lemmy forever. Why would I build a community with these people?
Unfortunately this isn’t just Lemmy, or even Reddit. People irl feel this way.
Actually, to Lemmy’s credit, I’ve seen way more pushback to that mentality here than I’ve seen anywhere else.
It's like Reddit all over again. Guess we shouldn't have too high hopes for humanity.
I will say that it gives me hope that so many people are pushing back in threads like this. I've been trying a lot of platforms in recent months, and places like Tildes, HackerNews, and even Beehaw seem to be better able to have constructive conversations about heated topics. So we're not alone!