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I think even without the US going to war with Iran, they'd still have to wait years to go to war with China.
Could still happen, hopefully doesn't though.
I'd argue the fact that Russia was able to defeat NATO in Ukraine is proof that we're long past the point where the west could take on China. The danger is that people running the empire don't seem to understand this.
Oh, for sure. I agree. I think in their demented minds they expect to be able to defeat China in a few years though.
It's just kind of incredible to watch them continuously taking Ls on every front, but being utterly incapable of taking a step back and doing a bare minimum of introspection.
It must be the lead and the microplastics because even Britain knew when to say "yeah kept the seat warm for you big dog lemme head out" instead of stubbornly poking the bear and starting shit all over once America yanked the empire off their hands.
Yeah because the most demonically racist people on earth just shrugged and said "at least they're white" when America took over (granted, that's not fully true either, there definitely was a lot of pushback against America in Britain in the inter war period as they tried to isolate the Sterling Area but were unsuccessful)
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They took a W against Hezbollah, W against Syria, will get a W against Iran if nobody else steps in to assist, Ukraine is essentially a draw for them since they never intended to win really just weaken Russia
Hezbollah is still around last I checked, Syria is not exactly a win either given that it's incredibly volatile, and now the west will be forced to pour resources into it to keep a pro western regime in power. Ukraine is absolutely not a draw by any metric. Russia has come out of the war far stronger, and the west is now teetering on an economic crash. On top of that, Russia showed that NATO weapons are not superior, that NATO lacks industrial capacity to take on peer competitors, and that you don't need the West for your economy to thrive. Russia is growing at over 4% right now economically, while the west is in a recession. Finally, there's now a whole alternative economic system forming entirely outside the west. Calling this a draw is frankly silly.
If Hezbollah was still around in any capacity that it was capable of fighting, it would be attacking Israel right now. There was a window of time to pursue de-dollarization and the Chinese explicitly rejected it and continued getting more enmeshed with the US economy instead. They rejected creating a separate economic system
Why would they be doing that right now?
Also, dedollarization is literally happening as we speak. Chinese CIPS is already handling more transactions than SWIFT. You really don't have any idea what's happening in the world do you?
In their defence, The US is the most propogandized people on earth, and you have to activly look outside of the NYT AP Routers buble to hear anything other than Russia and China are about to collapse
very true
Yeah I don't know anymore. I feel like China would let them isolate them, surround them on all sides, start picking off leaders and infrastructure and still move at a glacial pace to react. It seems like they are just completely incapable of proactive geopolitical moves. All they can do is slowly react
I disagree, China simply isn't acting bombastically, but the support they provided Russia was absolutely critical for keeping Russian economy humming along after the divorce with the west. China has also been instrumental in organizing BRICS and turning it into a viable alternative to the Western economic system.
This support basically amounted to "continued trade and ignored sanctions". The one thing China is good at is continuing trade. They didn't actually do much to help Russia in any other way, and in fact have made counterproductive moves diplomatically in the UN. I do have to admit them ignoring sanctions is surprising though, as even this bare minimum bar is rarely ever met by them. They helped starve out DPRK.
What good is BRICs if they don't pursue de-dollarization and don't assist each other militarily? I guess we get some fun conferences?
What are you literally talking about? Maybe stop listening to the rad-libs on Hexbear about China?
Russia never required them nor asked for any other help. It's also clear that Russia has had no problem dealing with NATO on its own militarily. Meanwhile, no idea what these counterproductive moves diplomatically in the UN that you refer to are.
Weird way to say they ensured DPRK actually made it through the western sanctions.
They do pursue dedollariation, maybe spend a bit of time actually understanding the subject you're attempting to debate here?