That leaves Ukraine three options. The first is to rely on Europe stepping in to supply the weapons and equipment it needs. The second – proposed earlier this month by Zelensky – was to buy US made weapons from Washington with European money. The third is to make the weapons it needs in Ukrainian factories, funded by money from European allies.
where is the "total capitulation" option? remarkable how western press is still producing these fantastical articles.
the meat grinder gets very hungry if you don't feed it people for too long
Lmao there is no more American sentiment than "Here, take this pinless grenade"
This just means the US is moving focus to Iran and then China
If they really do start a war with Iran, they can forget about China at that point.
I think even without the US going to war with Iran, they'd still have to wait years to go to war with China.
Could still happen, hopefully doesn't though.
I'd argue the fact that Russia was able to defeat NATO in Ukraine is proof that we're long past the point where the west could take on China. The danger is that people running the empire don't seem to understand this.
Oh, for sure. I agree. I think in their demented minds they expect to be able to defeat China in a few years though.
It's just kind of incredible to watch them continuously taking Ls on every front, but being utterly incapable of taking a step back and doing a bare minimum of introspection.
It must be the lead and the microplastics because even Britain knew when to say "yeah kept the seat warm for you big dog lemme head out" instead of stubbornly poking the bear and starting shit all over once America yanked the empire off their hands.
Yeah because the most demonically racist people on earth just shrugged and said "at least they're white" when America took over (granted, that's not fully true either, there definitely was a lot of pushback against America in Britain in the inter war period as they tried to isolate the Sterling Area but were unsuccessful)
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They took a W against Hezbollah, W against Syria, will get a W against Iran if nobody else steps in to assist, Ukraine is essentially a draw for them since they never intended to win really just weaken Russia
Hezbollah is still around last I checked, Syria is not exactly a win either given that it's incredibly volatile, and now the west will be forced to pour resources into it to keep a pro western regime in power. Ukraine is absolutely not a draw by any metric. Russia has come out of the war far stronger, and the west is now teetering on an economic crash. On top of that, Russia showed that NATO weapons are not superior, that NATO lacks industrial capacity to take on peer competitors, and that you don't need the West for your economy to thrive. Russia is growing at over 4% right now economically, while the west is in a recession. Finally, there's now a whole alternative economic system forming entirely outside the west. Calling this a draw is frankly silly.
Yeah I don't know anymore. I feel like China would let them isolate them, surround them on all sides, start picking off leaders and infrastructure and still move at a glacial pace to react. It seems like they are just completely incapable of proactive geopolitical moves. All they can do is slowly react
I disagree, China simply isn't acting bombastically, but the support they provided Russia was absolutely critical for keeping Russian economy humming along after the divorce with the west. China has also been instrumental in organizing BRICS and turning it into a viable alternative to the Western economic system.
well they USAF has relocated quite a few logistic suport aircraft from the US to the middle east, and they are pulling forces out of the south china sea to the middle east. It is looking likely that they will change focus to this new shiney thing, especialy given they have hated Iran ever sense the Sha left
It is looking very likely that the US is going to enter the war at this point.
my biggest worry right now is I cannot think of any country that both can aid iran at the moment and is willing. I will admit my regional knolege of the politic of the middle east is not amazing, and has been streched to its limit, but from my limited understanding I am worried Iran is going to be left to go this alone
It's worth noting that Iran absolutely does get support from both Russia and China. There's even a direct rail line going from China through Russia to Iran now. Iran is also a country of 90 million people, with a strong industrial base, its own energy, and food security. It's not really clear to me how the US plans to invade Iran to be honest. The logistics situation is very much stacked against them, and Iran has advanced weapons that can take out US assets like carriers and destroy their bases in the region. Short of going nuclear, Israel and the US will lose this war.
I do not doubt there will be some aid from China, my worry was that Russia is too tied up to provide aid.
That being said now that Pakistan extended their nuclear umbrella I am less concerned about a nuclear war, before then I was quite concered either the US or Israel would use nukes.
Oh did Pakistan actually say that Iran is under their nuclear umbrella now? Last I saw they pledged support for Iran, but didn't really specify the details.
Never mind, I found it on the mega thread, and ICBM mentioned that Pakistan has said it was not true, so nukes are still on the table. I should have waited to independently verify
In the defence of the comrade, Iran said it happened and the only sources I can find where pakistan said they did not are US or Indian, but unless I find a nutural source saying its been extended I will assume it has not
There's a lot of stuff happening all at once, and it's hard to keep up with what's actually been verified or not. I really hope the US is not crazy enough to nuke Iran, but at this point it's hard to rule anything out.
It is very likely that China is already helping Iran in the sidelines. Iran is crucial for the belt and road initiative. Iran's missiles require satellite communication for coordination and Iran does not have those capabilities. Also in regards to electronic warfare, Iran is not as capable as other more powerful nations. It's very likely that China and Russia are supporting Iran in that regard.
Pakistan may also act as China's proxy. There are Shia militias both in Afghanistan, Iraq and Saudi Arabia who are willing to help Iran in case the war gets into the ground. And Iran also has allies in Ansar Allah and Hezbollah (who have a presence both in Qatar and Lebanon). So there's a coalition working in the shadows but ready to set foot in the ground to aid Iran in this war.
My source: https://youtu.be/3lhbAHOHT40
Too bad it is in Portuguese.
There are reports of military transfers from China to Iran already. It would obviously be a huge disaster for both Russia and China if Iran was destroyed by the US. I think they will provide as much support as they're able here.
a negotiated peaceful settlement is in the best interest of both parties and our nation’s interests.
A good faith position that is both genuine and sure to be applied similarly to America's many other proxy wars of aggression.
it was bound to happen that the US was gonna abandon the nazi outpost seeing that the war is lost, at least to save face saying in the future "we tried to make peace (because we failed winning a war) but ukraine didn't listen"
Escalates
Escalates more
Escalates harder
One more time with feeling
Russia has been a European issue to deal with for centuries. The current mess is because of US interference after WW2 and all the Cold War crap. Russia has always wanted to be treated as part of Europe and have a year-round warm water port. Two things that the aristocracy/oligarchy have fought to deny them. Climate change is giving Russia the portsl, while Trump is handing them a new relationship with Europe. The US leaving Europe should have happened decades ago and should be viewed as a good thing; ripping off the band-aid/plaster.