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As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.

The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California's university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.

In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.

"Maybe it's time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump," Newsom said.

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[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

You do have the right to own at gun in MA as guaranteed by the Second Amendment. No such right exists in Canada. In Canada gun ownership is a privilege which can be revoked and which has strict training, licensing, and handling requirements.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Strict is a loose term. A Canadian neighbour had more than 10 guns, overkill for city apartment living...but if you have a valid license its fair game

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Strict by American standards. My 16 year old son is on his way into the house to get my keys so that I can unlock the ammo box to give him .22 quiets so that he can try out his new Winchester rifle that arrived by mail today.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Canadian kids 12 through 17 can apply for their gun license. Or If you are with a licensed owner you can handle guns. I went hunting with my dad in the teen days. Canada is not as strict as the US folk believe, especially if you live rurally and are hunting, you can be under 12. We just don't use it to attach our identity too like gun nuts in the USA

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Used to be that way here as well. Gun nuts existed but even most of the right thought they were crazy and pathetic.

Grew up in the deep south. Guns were a tool, back then. Most people didn't own a handgun, those that did tended to have one or two. .38 special and a .22 pistol for plinking. Like other tools they are toys as well so people like guns and have a lot of fun with them. Seeing them as weapons to kill people was a distant afterthought other than safety considerations.

Most gun owners had only long guns. .22 for small game and plinking, scoped bolt or lever 30-06 for larger game. Several gauge of shotguns for different types of hunting and skeet shooting.

Live in a blue/purple state now. Our home is an old farmhouse. My study has a gun rack built in to the closet original to the house. It is sized to fit that use pattern and fits my family like a glove.

I gotta go check my groundhog traps, cute little fuckers destroy foundations and you aren't even allowed to catch and release, by law you are supposed to dispatch and not relocate. I dispatch with a long barrel .22 revolver.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

My 16 year old is out shooting his brand new arrived today .22 right now. He has a PL (possession license) while I have a PAL (possession and acquisition license.) He is allowed to possess guns without supervision but he is not allowed to acquire them.

[-] chuymatt@startrek.website 1 points 1 week ago

AND THIS SEEMS COMPLETELY REASONABLE.

No sarcasm. I feel the national POV of the USA is just sick.

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That is completely reasonable and the person you're screaming at is Canadian. 16 year olds are perfectly capable of being responsible with long guns like a .22 rifle. This depends on the kid and the parents.

If you are a vegan and a pacifist on ethical grounds, I get it. But, hunting is a like a basic human thing. View the gun as a neat but dangerous tool that requires training.

We're talking about traditional patterns of rural gun use you even find all over Europe. These are not AR-15 killer sewing machines, they're old school long guns with most of them not even being semi-automatic.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Have you noticed that the NRA has been absolutely silent since the tyrannical government they've been warning us about for years actually came to pass?

In Canada you are required to take 16 hours of training then pass a written exam and a practical exam before being licensed.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

In MA and a few other states gun ownership is a privelege that is granted based on personal bias and can be revoked. They also have training licensing and handling requirements.

Looking at the laws online the only major difference I see is in CA you can no longer buy a handgun due to the freeze.

Gun laws by state vary wildly.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

In MA and a few other states gun ownership is a privilege that is granted based on personal bias and can be revoked. They also have training licensing and handling requirements.

I did a little bit of reading and I don't think that's true. You have the protected constitutional right to own guns as guaranteed by the second amendment but the exercise of that right is subject to licensing and permitting requirements and may be suspended under some circumstances (such as your being designated a danger to society.) (This sounds more like a, "mah rights!" argument than anything else to me. )

That's quite different from Canada where you have literally no right to own a gun at all.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

Its not though, there is literally constitution legal contention over the issue. There are a few states like MA, NY and a few others where they call it a "may issue"state because it's not a right in those states.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

That's not how the US constitution works.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago
[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago
[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You realize that there are different states and things can be unconstitutional right? People in may issue states have gun privileges, not rights.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This seems like a confirmation that your argument is, in fact, "Mah rights!"

Article VI, Clause 2 establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority are the supreme law of the land, taking precedence over any conflicting state laws. This means the Constitution, along with federal laws, applies to all states and their citizens, regardless of their location within the United States.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I dont get what you don't understand of on paper vs in practice.

Just because thats what it says, doesn't change the fact that may issue states offer priveleges not rights. Just because the SC will likely eventually overturn the unconstitutional state law, doesn't mean that those people have those rights. They don't have those rights until it's overturned, it's the whole point of bringing it to the SC. Rights denied are rights denied.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The law is only unconstitutional if you have a right that the state law takes away.

You have the right as guaranteed by the second amendment and the supremacy clause. I'm not sure what you don't understand about how the constitution works.

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