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Reporters Without Borders Decries 'Wave of Violence' Against Journalists at LA Protests
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I think it’s about time the press and protesters start showing up strapped. These people clearly don’t have any fear and are just power tripping on people for simply being there. Put the fear of God back into these pigs.
The people of sh.it.just.works and Lemmy.world both loved to try and act like I was out of line for calling for open carry the other night. Unfortunately California state law doesn’t allow for it. I think that it’s the only way to get them to back off with the Marines, the National Guard and with ICE though. If they’re not going to be afraid of us then they’re never going to change and the people saying “don’t give them a reason to escalate” will keep saying that up to the first battles at which point they’ll run and cower.
Fun fact, the real wave of gun restrictions started with the Black Panthers open carrying in California back in in the 60s.
https://www.history.com/articles/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act
That led to the Mulford Act:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
I hope Newsom puts forward legislation to eliminate the Mulford Act. That would give the Neoconfederates serious pause.
The state law made by fucking Reagan and should thusly be ignored.
Completely agree. We should have gotten rid of the law. It was born out of racism and restricts our rights in Cali.
Escalation to violence is exactly what they want. It gives them all the justification they need to invoke the Insurrection Act, declare martial law and suspend your Constitutional rights. And not just in California.
Californians have a right to defend themselves
Where does the goal post moving stop? It’s not an escalation of violence if you don’t use it. It’s a threat to escalate to violence. If they aren’t afraid of you then they’re not going to change.
When they declare martial law are you going to be saying the same thing and hoping by just chanting loudly you change their mind?
Problem is the situation won't improve without an escalation
No. The problem is, the situation will only get worse with escalation. Not better.
We had six months without protests. The administration seemed happy to escalate in their absence.
What if these protests aren't what's driving public policy? What if the problem is the administration itself and not the people reacting to the violence they're inflicting on the locals?
And ask yourself this. If ICE came into your city, what kind of community would you want to live in? One where your neighbors took to the streets to shut down the police convoys and scare off these thugs? Or one where friendly neighbors locked their doors and hid, while reactionary neighbors singled you out for the police to grab?
I'm not opposed to protests...the LA protests in particular. I'm opposed to violent confrontations with Trump's thugs. I'm opposed to citizens being the ones to escalate the situation. Trump already wants this. All I'm saying is don't give him what he wants. Let them be the ones to escalate. We all know it's coming...so why give him the satisfaction of making him look justified?
Don't just hand him an excuse. Stare them straight in the eyes, and make them take it. That's what protesting is all about. Your defiance is not about hitting back...it's about taking a hit, and standing up again. Make them look like the bullies they are. Don't legitimize their excuses. Prove that they're hollow.
"Stop resisting! Stop resisting!"
The excuse was the existence of Hispanic people in Paramount, California. Everything that followed was a consequence of Trump's bigoted pogrom against Latinos.
They already do. But slapping the "bully" bumper sticker on an ICE truck full of your neighbors does nothing to get them out of that truck.
What the people of LA are doing is so much more than optics. They are actively saving lives and guarding their friends and neighbors from police violence.
They are resisting in the most material and direct way anyone can ask.
Are you sure? It seems like the escalation is what they don't want. And that's why they're having to call in the marines to try and scare people back into submission.
Passive acquiescence and blind obedience is what they want. That's why the news media is so eager to label these protests as abnormal, intolerable, and anti-American. If the conservatives wanted protests, they wouldn't be so eager to censor the protests' advocates and so worried about valorizing these opposition efforts.
So what? Do you just watch until you're being herded into concentration camps anyway? This is the first instance of effective resistance to Trump (the April parades don't count) since January and they're calling in the Marines already. This was simply never going to end peacefully, because any effective act of mass resistance was going to be suppressed violently; avoiding escalation means avoiding resistance.
Edit: This person is not arguing in good faith. I cornered them in this thread and they claimed that ICE won't shoot people unless provoked and then that they're shooting people to provoke an escalation. Their argument seems to hinge on the idea that rubber bullets are harmless pranks you should just suck up.
Resistance doesn't have to include escalation. Leave that to them...they are going to escalate anyway. If the protesters are the ones doing it, then they just handed Trump exactly what he wants...a legal justification for his actions.
Neither Trump nor his followers give a flying fuck about legal justifications, and any so-called moderate who cares about that is a fascist in denial. Solidarity is indispensible when fighting tyranny, and solidarity demands that when members of your community are being kidnapped by the Gestapo you fight back, not watch and cry about legal justifications.
Man, I would love to be as delusional as you are. It must be so much fun thinking life is like a video game.
Look, if your strategy and tactics prevent you from protecting your own neighbors you've already lost the plot.
How does getting your neighbors killed, "protect" them? Those people are already doing enough to protect their neighbors right now. How would starting an all-out civil war, protect anyone?
My point is that continuing that is the escalation you're talking about. Consider the following situation: ICE comes for person X and group Y shows up. Y refuse to hand over X, at which point ICE threatens to shoot them if they don't comply. What should Y do here? Hand over X? Peacefully get shot? Shoot back?
Like I said...you are delusional.
If ICE shows up for person X, and group Y stands in front of them....ICE is not going to start shooting people unless they are threatened with violence. If the entire neighborhood comes out onto the streets in enough numbers, and simply stands their ground...ICE will have no choice but to either leave, or break the law.
But, if you step up to them with violent intent...then all bets are off, and your fantasy scenario comes true. So, if that's what you want to see happen...then go ahead. FAFO. Because as much as you might like to imagine you can take on the US military with your home stash of guns...you don't have enough ammo to "save your neighbors" from that level of stupidity. All you're going to do is get a lot of people killed, and accomplish exactly nothing.
You do realize they're shooting protesters right as we speak right? That's literally why we're having this conversation.
Protesters urged not to give trump administration pretext for what it is already doing
edit: Oh, what the hell. Let's add a snippet.
That's an Onion article. You can tell because Trump hasn't been shooting protesters for months already. That's what comes next. And that's when it stops being a protest, and turns into a civil war.
Don't be so eager to make that happen.
It's looking pretty inevitable at this point.
Only if people go into this looking for it.
You mean like the Trump administration?
He's already ordered soldiers in, who have shot journalists and protestors
There is a massive difference between rubber bullets and live ammunition.
There's a marginal difference. "Less lethal" rounds are still lethal when they're fired directly at people, particularly if the wounded are denied medical attention and are subjected to further police violence after they've been injured.
Dude...that is a massive difference.
You're not wrong but you're on the wrong instance if your solution isn't just 'hold hands and vote for black trump with a d next to their name next election'.
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Tell me how every dictatorship has been overthrown. I’ll give you a hint: those that chastize calls for retaliation tend to be labeled “fascist sympathizers” by history.
Get out there and shoot then
I'd prefer to not give Trump a reason to use the Insurrection Act.
They made up a reason to deploy marines in LA. They'll make up a reason to do that too. Violence is inevitable at this point. Resist anyway.
I'm not pro-starting-the-shooting either but let's be real, he will find an excuse to use it whether people fight back or not.
We can stop pretending he has any restraint we aren't even six months in.
Uncomfortable truth: violence has solved some of the largest issues across the history of humanity.
yeah its also created some of the biggest problems
all wars, all genocides ect, that's pretty bad stuff
Violence didn’t create war or genocide, those are a result of nationalism and racism, respectively. Violence is the means used to accomplish the goal, but the motivation is what does the creating.
To be clear I’m not pro-violence or something, but it is kinda funny to me when you hear “violence is the answer” and open a history book to see time and time again that violence is the answer for quite a few problems.