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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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English-language twitter account that collates news.
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English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

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https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 43 points 12 hours ago

Israel could act alone

What the fuck have they been doing if not acting alone in order to dismantle Iran’s nuclear program? Lmfao

[-] LoveWitch@hexbear.net 35 points 11 hours ago
[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 22 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

You’re so fucking lucky that I’m showing restraint right now

[-] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 17 points 11 hours ago

Isn't this a thinly veiled threat they would use a nuke? Not to give the fascists credit for an ounce of intelligence, but since it is so clear to everyone that they have already been "acting" without direct US involvement, to me it sounds like they're saying they will act by using that one thing they never outright say they have but have been holding over everyone, even their allies, as a threat for decades. Aren't they saying "we'll do the ultimate escalation if you don't escalate by joining us"?

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 14 points 11 hours ago

They will not use a nuke. They’ll have America do a 24 hour bombing campaign alongside Israel against key Iranian sites, get aerial before and after photos, and say mission accomplished as an off-ramp from the Iran forever war unless America is actually more stupid than we think it is and wants to crash the global economy

[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

If they want to dismantle Iran's nuclear program alone, they would need a lot of bunker busters or several nukes. As far as I'm aware, they only have the nukes.
It's probably just more bluster (wasn't there supposed to be a giant Israeli attack yesterday?) but I don't know how else they expect it to be read.

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 3 points 11 hours ago

They won’t use nukes. Pakistan WILL at minimum the conflict if they do, though their actual nuclear deterrent policy is to use nukes if any Muslim country is nuked.

They will have the help of America to just drop a bunch of bunker busters and claim victory and say they are implementing a ceasefire unless Iran attacks them again, in which case America WILL join and defend Israel. There is no other out that involves long term sustainability of the Zionist entity without America participating alongside Israel as a cobelligerent in a forever war with Iran.

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

There is no immediate off ramp though. At minimum there will be a weeks long air campaign (similar to the Gulf War) against Yemen and Iran, and maybe Iraq if the popular mobilisation forces start lobbing missiles and drones at US military sites, if the US enters the war offensively, to reduce the potential retaliation. Some sort of aerial presence is required to keep Iranian and Yemeni missiles and drones suppressed.

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

U sure about that?

Almost exactly what I said lol

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yeah but what happens when Iran fires off some missiles at US bases? The Israelis will also be begging Trump to bomb the missile cities now with more GBU-57 MOPs.

This is just the beginning.

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 3 points 9 hours ago

Iran won’t strike American bases. Israel needed an off-ramp from a 1v1 conflict. Iran is not going to take an on-ramp to a 1v2 conflict against America

[-] OptimusSubprime@hexbear.net 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

unless America is actually more stupid than we think it is and wants to crash the global economy

nicholson-yes

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 1 points 10 hours ago

I was right tho

[-] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I don't think they would use a nuke yet either. I agree what you said is the most likely thing to happen at this stage. But the question I was addressing was what the entity meant or what they're trying to project by saying "we will act alone" if you, Trump admin, don't do what we want.

edit to add: When I read the "act alone" thing, to me that sounds like they're saying "we'll go all the way and use our nukes, so you'd better help us now before we do something that would hurt you as well." It doesn't mean that is what they would actually do, but it could be some telling posturing. Even then it's an open question if saying they'll "act alone" is really a threat aimed at a genuinely reluctant Trump admin or just something they're projecting to give the US even more cover to make it look like the poor, calm, rational US is in a tough spot but just has no choice but to strike Iran directly.

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 3 points 9 hours ago

We were right and then less than an hour later that’s exactly what happened

[-] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 13 points 11 hours ago

I'm gonna do it bro I'm gonna bomb another country bro dont make me do it bro

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