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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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Israel-Palestine Conflict

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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
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Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 46 points 4 hours ago

Traitor Communist Party of Iran calls for overthrowing the Islamic Republic while the US is preparing three aircraft carrier strike groups off the coast and the zionist entity is killing entire families in Tehran.

Yes its real. Link to official statement.

[-] sempersigh@hexbear.net 43 points 4 hours ago
[-] larrikin99@hexbear.net 29 points 4 hours ago
[-] Fishroot@hexbear.net 14 points 4 hours ago

Tudeh doesn’t exist in Iran, it’s banned after revolution. their hq is probably somewhere in Europe

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 12 points 4 hours ago

still more legitimate than these "new left" non-demcent fucking mossad collaborators

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 26 points 4 hours ago

With people like this inside the country, who needs enemies?

Also saw a video of a guy cheering on the Israeli airstrikes in Tehran while his wife was crying and telling him to get away from the windows. I don't understand it.

[-] Euergetes@hexbear.net 19 points 4 hours ago

what communist party of iran?

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 12 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Fake party, fuck those losers. Not even organized via Democratic Centralism but "de-centralized cadres" (it's organized like a PKK terrorist cell network, not a communist party).

The more legitimate party Tudeh (lol) condemned the "Israeli" attacks and has not called for any attacks on the Islamic Republic at this time.

The Tudeh Party of Iran calls on all progressive and freedom-loving forces in Iran and the world to unite in condemning this blatant and brutal violation of international law and to focus all efforts on preventing a wide-scale, destructive military conflict and establishing peace in the Middle East.

The global public must go beyond mere concern expressed by the UN Secretary-General over Israel’s attack on Iran. All international mechanisms available through the United Nations and its Security Council must be used to stop the region from plunging into large-scale war.

The Tudeh Party of Iran believes that only through establishing and defending peace can we put an end to the current dangerous crisis in the Middle East.

https://www.tudehpartyiran.org/en/2025/06/13/statement-of-the-central-committee-of-the-tudeh-party-of-iran-the-tudeh-party-of-iran-strongly-condemns-the-criminal-and-terrorist-attack-by-the-israeli-government-on-iran/

Bit of mealy mouthed nonsense to be sure, but not blatantly imperialist.

[-] Jabril@hexbear.net 13 points 4 hours ago

If this isn't Tudeh I don't think they have any base of support in Iran. Even Tudeh doesn't really anymore. I remember the latter supporting the women life freedom BS when that happened and communists on reddit using that to support it too, despite being an obvious op

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[-] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 30 points 4 hours ago

It's crazy how much following the news around modern warfare is akin to divination. We all draw different conclusions from these kind of hazy rumours and images and try to predict the future. Maybe Iran is closing the strait as a sort of preemptive strike against imminent American involvement? Maybe Israel struck some Iranian tankers? We've really got no idea.

[-] Hermes@hexbear.net 23 points 4 hours ago

It was d20 Bulgaria using a d20 submarine to prevent Isreal from being able to defend against Iranian d20 strategic bombers. saruman-orb

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 36 points 4 hours ago

Unconfirmed reports of three oil tankers burning in the strait of hormuz.

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 17 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Not confirmation, but three ships matches the satellite data from NASA of three separate fires. Could be something else or even a false positive.

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[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 26 points 4 hours ago

While all this has been going on, Russia just bombed Kyiv, with lots of Kh-101 cruise missiles launched from Tu-95MSM and Tu-160 strategic bombers. They can be seen deploying flares before striking in this video

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[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 57 points 5 hours ago

In US politics, the NYT effectively endorses Andrew Cuomo for NY mayor by telling its readers not to vote for Mamdani and that the race will come down to the two of them, so just suck it up and vote for the sex pest.

Readers may recognize this as the strategy used by Democrats in the last presidential election.

[-] HarryLime@hexbear.net 63 points 5 hours ago
[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 46 points 5 hours ago

It is so weird to me that these sicko warmongering Holden Bloodfeasts go out clubbing in the evening instead of retiring to their lairs to drink the blood of children

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 34 points 5 hours ago

Sometimes it really is nothing more than a gig for these people, just a very well paying job with retirement benefits and healthcare. They probably think less about the implications of their work than their boomer parents do.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 27 points 5 hours ago

Freddie's Beach Bar... Dominos...

Pentagon Indicators should be an HBO comedy.

"So what is Pentagon Bob into?"

"I dunno."

"Yeah, you do. Freddie's or Domino's?"

"..."

"C'mon. Tell me."

"Probably both. But you didn't hear that from me."

"Understood."

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Ninja edit. And it's pizza time for me. I just remembered I have pizza in the freezer. Haha.

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 21 points 4 hours ago

President Trump wants J.D. Vance and Steve Witkoff to meet with Iranian officials later this week

  • Telegram

Is JD going to kill Khamenei?

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[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 49 points 5 hours ago

if you have USA as an Ally you get 25 Air Tankers on the way to support you 3 days into your war X´th war of aggression , while doing genocide.

If you have china , i think its jasmine tea.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 22 points 4 hours ago

The Guardian

Donald Trump has encouraged vice president JD Vance and his Middle East envoy, Steve Witkoff, to offer to meet the Iranians this week, the New York Times has reported, citing a US official.

Iranian foreign minister Abbas Araghchi had earlier indicated that Tehran was open to negotiations, also suggesting Trump could stop the war with “one phone call” to Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu. In a post on X he wrote:

If President Trump is genuine about diplomacy and interested in stopping this war, next steps are consequential. Israel must halt its aggression, and absent a total cessation of military aggression against us, our responses will continue.

It takes one phone call from Washington to muzzle someone like Netanyahu. That may pave the way for a return to diplomacy.

Rant. Guardian needs to use correct formatting for quotes.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 44 points 5 hours ago

Still no video of impacts. Just reports that they were the biggest explosions so far.

I don't know if we'll get video at all tbh.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 24 points 4 hours ago

Strap me to a missile and fire it at Tel Aviv. I’ll wear a go pro

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 19 points 4 hours ago

It may have just been a collision between ships in the strait

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 31 points 4 hours ago

Imagine being the captain who crashes an oil tanker right now? Awkward

[-] uSSRI@hexbear.net 17 points 4 hours ago

Scuttling the ship to go down with the ship to avoid the embarrassment

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[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 23 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Looks like there was another launch of about 3 ballistic missiles at Haifa, no impacts reported. At first I thought such low numbers were unlikely, I'd think at least 10 missiles minimum, but that seems to be what's happening right now.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 26 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Unconfirmed, but Im seeing stuff about ships in the strait of hormuz on fire

Edit: there is something??? on the NASA fire map: https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:24hrs;@56.77,25.26,10.43z

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 16 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Possible, NASA fire detection satellites are picking something up.

Link

[-] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 15 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, some buzz about three oil tankers all on fire. Very unconfirmed right now.

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[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 17 points 4 hours ago

For anyone looking into the potential fire I the strait, here is a map of oil tankers. About a 40min delay: https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/2013/02/tanker-track.html

Idk why the date in the link is 2013, it's showing tankers locations from 40 min ago

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[-] Salem@hexbear.net 30 points 5 hours ago

Is that Samson Doctrine publication post from Iran have any weight of truth to it? I know that Israel has it but I just thought it was a boogeyman that Israel let circulate

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[-] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 72 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I am having flashbacks to 2003. If you are not old enough or not American… I wish I could be more articulate on this. It’s a feeling of foreboding because events are in motion and there is nothing in the universe that can or will stop it. From the perspective of the mainstream media and US politicians, it’s like they’ve learned nothing. Everyone just agrees “this is what we have to do”, and there is no questioning how we move forward.

But one thing is very, very different; and this is what I’m hanging my hopes on. The bloodlust from the American people just isn’t there like it was in 2003. I know there were some people who were against it but really, pretty much everyone was. All the Barbaras and Debbies (as Hasan says) were on board. All your “apolitical” folks were for it. Everyone had an opinion that was all of 3 minutes old and it was always the company line. The manufacturing consent machine said it had to be done, and the people bought it.

Before Iraq, Americans viewed actual hot, boots-on-the-ground war in the way we view sanctions today: why not do it, it’s easy our military is great we’ll be in and out easy. Saddam is bad and scary and maybe he has WMDs and maybe he doesn’t but probably a good idea to invade, just to be sure. I do think the one enduring legacy of Iraq on the American psyche is that we are now snake bitten on invading other countries (this is ofc a good thing).

That is not the case at all right now, the people don’t buy it, and honestly things could not be more different. No one wants intervention. Obviously what the people want won’t stop this train if it’s hell bent on attacking Iran, but I do think it’s something.

[-] jack@hexbear.net 42 points 6 hours ago

I agree. This is a time of far greater public discontent and much, much less support for US wars. Inshallah we are approaching the US's equivalent to the WWI for the Russian Empire.

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Today’s Operation True Promise III videos.

Iranian missile wave passing over the West Bank: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/16/1436730.html

Another Iranian missile wave, plus a close hit: https://s5.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/IMG_8680.mp4

Some of the recent Iranian strikes on the Haifa power plant: https://s5.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/IMG_8678.mp4

Zionist air defense struck itself: https://s5.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/arrow.mp4

Another Zionist air defense missile struck the ground in Tel Aviv: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/16/1436930.html

[-] MaoShanDong@hexbear.net 51 points 5 hours ago

Expanding on my comment earlier it isn't much of a surprise that the escalation has reached this point. The next couple of days will undoubtedly result in the unnecessary loss of lives and infrastructure as I believe that the current western actions are meant to further shock and awe the Iranians back onto the negotiating table as a nuclear Iran is existential in nature to the Israeli project.

However, this will not go nuclear as some commentators are fearing for the main reason that it would be self defeating for both the US and Israel as a whole. The nature of nuclear deterrence is paradoxical almost. If you want a solid threat of nuclear deterrence than the #1 thing you cannot do is show that you are actually willing to go nuclear in a non retaliatory way. Doing so would change the calculus for any opposition that you wish to engage in militarily in the future. In this case nuking Iran who is on the cusp of nuclear capabilities is in practice no different from first striking an actually nuclear capable state as it indicates you are willing to attempt to decapitate them before they can retaliate. The use of nukes would thereby actually encourage opposition to first strike you first if they believe you wish to engage on them in the future. A dark forest scenario if you will. This is both important to Israel as it would encourage everyone in the region to move first at some point in the future to avoid nukes and perhaps more importantly would greatly affect the US's ability to credibly go against China and Russia.

In total, the absolute worse case scenario going forward from a leftist perspective is if Iran is more of a paper tiger than the US is. If the leadership collapses and their ability to complete the bomb in a timely manner is compromised then they will likely be forced into a disadvantageous agreement and cease to be eventually. If they've dragged their feet in their development of nukes this could also result in a very uncomfortable time for Iran. I am not an expert on the ME but based off of other commentators I do not see them as that weak. Optimistically outside of this worse case scenario this will be a severe blow towards US imperial ambitions going forward.

If this level of bombing and attacks do not work to dissuade the development of the nuke in Iranian research sites deep underground and the Iranians refuse to comply with the NPT than the only card the US has left is to either acquiesce to Iran who will at this point all but certainly complete the bomb or go boots to the ground. Such an operation would come at a high price and would not even be guaranteed to succeed. Staging for even the Iraq war at what was arguably the height of American power took several months and occurred when support for such actions from the public were at an all time high. One may argue that leadership would force the issue but military manpower is currently at an all time low. Any delays and any time given to the Iranians is time they will use to develop their nuclear capabilities which will result in a strategic defeat for the west.

In all, this is now a race against time for both sides. My hope is that in the face of such destruction that the spirit if the Iranian people may persevere even in the face of such evil.

[-] MaoShanDong@hexbear.net 13 points 4 hours ago

https://xcancel.com/sentdefender/status/1934795792046272750

Photos are currently circulating which appear to show three ships on fire off the coast of Iran in the Gulf of Oman, near the Strait of Hormuz. NASA’s Fire Information for Resource Management System (FIRMS) Map appearing to confirm three fires in the Gulf of Oman.

Hard to tell what exactly is on fire right now but likely to be Iranian naval vessels as I don't believe Iran has begun shutting down the strait. However, this could easily start to escalate towards a blockade of the Strait if Iran feels that it is in their interest to pull that lever in light of today's events. Oil has already spiked nearly 14% in price in the past week so for everyone not directly involved in the actual conflict this sort of disruption will certainly cause economic hardship for the average person as energy and shipping costs go up.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 38 points 5 hours ago

Posted about ten min ago, don't see anything from anywhere else though

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 3 hours ago

Fed accounts say US will launch an attack in the next 72 hours.

I would believe it, Trump isn't bluffing, he does what he says he'll do.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 34 points 5 hours ago

I know Trump calling up Fox News and telling them (and them only) what he's doing is old news. Still - in context - holy fuck.

Reuters

U.S. President Donald Trump has requested that the national security council be prepared in the situation room as he returns early from the G7 summit in Canada Monday night, the co-host of Fox News' "FOX & Friends" program Lawrence Jones said on X.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 14 points 4 hours ago

UK Maritime Agency 'Ambrey' Confirms: 'We are aware of an incident occurring 22 nautical miles East of Khor Fakkan in the United Arab Emirates in the Gulf of Oman'

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