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[-] muhyb@programming.dev 3 points 16 hours ago

I don't have a screen reader installed so I cannot try it but I can guess how it can screw with it. However I agree with Monkey With A Shell here. It's not realistic for all users to follow semantics, this can only be solved with a better software.

While I use markdown daily, apparently there are still things I don't know about it. Well, I mostly learn them when I need them but still. So, I could use — (speech dash) instead of -, which I assume wouldn't cause a problem with a screen reader. There is no way for me to remember its shortcut on the keyboard, but it seems Markdown already covered this with --- which ends up rendered as —.

Thanks for making me noticing about it, learned something new today.

[-] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com -4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

It’s not realistic for all users to follow semantics

Not realistic for users to write lists the normal way that doesn't look wrong? I don't know guys

-first

-second

-third

looks obviously bad whereas

- first
- second
- third

looks right. Then you see the rendered result in preview. You also had a button in the toolbar to create a list.

I don't think this is asking much.

If you weren't trying to write a list, though, then I don't know what you were doing & I doubt a chat bot will either: could you link to an example of what you were trying to do? For all you know, I'm a chat bot not figuring out your intent. No technology is about to fix PEBKAC.

I think the bottom line is if you write lists normally, then everything else including accessibility will turn out right without you needing to understand the intricacies.

[-] muhyb@programming.dev 5 points 13 hours ago

I definitely wasn't trying to write a list, it was a riddle or a conversation. What I was trying to do is this:

Though, it seems speech dash is not a thing in English. So I understand the confusion.

[-] Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago

Yeah its not a thing in English. In Spanish it is as well and learning to read novels in English was a bit confusing at first. I believe the official name is en dash or em dash I forget which

[-] muhyb@programming.dev 1 points 14 minutes ago

Didn't really notice until now, though it seems some English speaking people used these dashes in their books apparently but I don't think I ever read one of them. It's hilarious to see these cultural differences may cause problems like this. :)

[-] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

You had me pondering…yes, quotation dash: it is a thing in English, just less common!

Please disregard what I wrote before: you had it almost correct, but use quotation dashes ― as you suggested before. Some OSes offer nice character pickers for less common punctuation: for example, Windows summons it with WindowsKey-.. Apologies.

[-] muhyb@programming.dev 2 points 12 hours ago

No worries. I tried to look on my English novels first but couldn't find anything like this. I was almost certain that I saw this in one of the Roald Dahls but nope. Well, learned the official name of it too, quotation dash. Thanks.

By the way, Meta (Windows key) + . opens emoji list in KDE.