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[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Quote

to repeat (a passage, phrase, etc.) from a book, speech, or the like, as by way of authority, illustration, etc. [...] to cite, offer, or bring forward as evidence or support.

Source

any thing or place from which something comes, arises, or is obtained; origin.

The above are quotes... from a source... in this case the sources being https://www.dictionary.com/browse/quote and https://www.dictionary.com/browse/source

The problem with simply using a name as a "source" in this context... This lemmy user didn't talk to that Lt. Col. so that lemmy user can't be a source to say that the Col said anything... They took that quote from somewhere else... and didn't cite that source. So it goes unsourced as the origin of where the quote is derived was not disclosed. Much the same as we both know that General Grievous from my previous comment is a fictional character and definitely didn't say anything of that sort... Yet I "quoted" it... with no source to prove that anything was ever actually said. Quoting something without a citation to the source where you obtain the quote is effectively pointless on the internet.

Edit: Google shows a number of sources for the quote... https://taskandpurpose.com/news/military-beards-break-gas-mask-seal/ being one of them.

This same article goes on to show the same study that I posted elsewhere though... with a bizarre stance on the results though...

These anecdotes all regard oxygen masks for aviators, so it would be too bold to extrapolate that the same rings true for gas masks, Ritchie explained. Still, it’s a start, and there is also a recent study from the civilian world that could indicate positive outcomes for beard-hopefuls in the U.S. military. The 2018 study showed that facial hair negatively influences the fit factor for half-face negative-pressure respirators as the hair gets longer and more dense. However, beard-wearers can still “achieve adequate fit factor scores even with substantial facial hair in the face seal area,” the study authors wrote. In fact, 98% of the study participants who had an eighth-inch of beard passed the fit test. Those results are encouraging because the respirators used in the study are pretty close to the M-50 gas masks used in the military today in terms of material and fit, Ritchie said.

Not sure why 98% is acceptable to them... but is what it is. I don't particularly find the number acceptable considering it's entirely preventable deaths that could be stopped.

See... I provided the source... and the quote. There is no concern about me having made shit up because you can see it for yourself without hunting for the source yourself.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 1 month ago

You can type all that, still funny when you know that a quote with a name is a source. Since you know the quotes source is that named person. Not really relevant if it is a correct quote or not, as a sourced lie is a thing as well.

I mean its right there in your own example "...to cite, offer, or bring forward as evidence or support."

this post was submitted on 22 Jun 2025
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