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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago

US: "NATO members need to up their defense spending!"

NATO: "Okay, we'll do it."

US: "Actually, We're leaving NATO." 🤡

[-] aaron@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Trump isn't wrong that European NATO countries have needed to increase their defence spending for a long time. It remains to be seen which European NATO countries will actually do so or can: words are easy. (Just call Trump 'Daddy' and agree to whatever he says lol before continuing with whatever we intended to do all along anyway!)

Trump and many other Americans in positions of power obviously have been Russian assets to various degrees for a long time now, but the last thing Russia wants is Trump's actions forcing Europe to spend more on defence, and end their reliance on the US.

Russia would prefer complacent European NATO/EU nations relying on America, who would pull the rug out from under them - similar to what America has done to Ukraine - when Russia was in a position to attack NATO further. I guess the timing just won't be right for that outcome, unless Trump forces a third term, so Putin will be happy with what he has achieved.

As well as a Russian asset Trump is also just a bit of a moron who doesn't see the value in the US dollar as global reserve currency. Maybe he sees the rise of China and thinks 'this is what the US needs to do again. Go back to developing world status and become the world's factory in order to rise later as China is now'. Trump doesn't appear have much in the way of strategic thinking. He appears to have an unchangeable very out of date world view, and more he is driven by the pathological impulse to acquire everything he can for himself. The uber-pig.

This return to developing world status would be great for billionaires but not for your average American, never mind brown skinned Americans, women, the poor (ironically Trump's base I guess), and other minorities.

I suppose with this post I have rendered myself persona-non-grata in the US now for the next several years and probably beyond (once border policies are put in place they don't change easily). Pity. I like the Americans I have known and always wanted to visit.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

It's a common American view that the other countries weren't spending "enough", whereas from the perspective of everyone else on the planet it's America that's spending a hugely disproportionate amount of wealth on killing, and just expecting its allies to do the same.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.php

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I'm pretty sure that last decade or so has shown that Europe doesn't spend enough. It's not just Russia's invasion. Military action in Libya was reliant on the US to sustain more than a few days of action.

[-] aaron@infosec.pub -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
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