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[-] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Precisely. Like I realize that people who want my family deported or murdered are fully human and have a similar experience of physical reality as I do, but that understanding their perspective doesn't mean I agree with them, or lead me to believe I shouldn't defend myself against their intolerance.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago

Understanding that everyone else is also human is really just the ground floor of empathy. You can go so much further than that.

[-] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, like the certainty that if I had been subjected to identical conditions as those that brought an antagonist before me, that I would not have deviated by one atom from their path, and would find myself in the exact same shoes, clothes, skin, mind, and soul.

And we're still just talking about human minds.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Uhh, have you ever heard about this thing called free will?

The conditions alone aren’t what determines a person’s character. It’s also the choices they make along the way.

[-] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Yes ofc, but you're forgetting that I would have the same free will.

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Right, which means that when faced with the same conditions you could still potentially make different choices

[-] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

No the free will is identical too

[-] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Then it's not free

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