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A lot of the nazis especially in eastern europe got or still get funded by the cia because of their staunch anticommunism via gladio operations. Thats not to blame the empire for the bigotry of the average european but a lot of the fascist orgs get material support from seppoland.
No, the ussr did not fund paramilitary nazi groups formed from the remnants of former SS troops, or anything similar.
Some cultural exchanges and auxiliary funding is not remotely the same as arming and connecting former SS troops to create clandestine paramilitary terror cells, like wtf are we comparing here.
Which terror attacks did the pro-Soviet groups conduct?
So, they killed a leader of a state involved in colonialism and genocides, as opposed to actually conducting a terror attack? Sounds like you've got nothing.
Sounds like you have been living under a rock. Italy had already been a member of NATO by 1970, which already makes them complicit in things like the Lebensraum genocide in Palestine.
You claim that you are from Europe, but you are evidently very ignorant of its history.
This is hilarious.
It has, apparently, been very 'defensively' committing the genocide in Palestine, and it so very 'defensively' invaded Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Vietnam, Korea, etc. /s
Only people with no knowledge of history and no knowledge of what has been happening this century think that it's a defensive alliance.
Also, what was/is it a defensive alliance of and from? Are you going to argue that it hasn't been an alliance defending colonial metropoles and settler-colonies from justice?
You should follow your own advice and learn about what it has been doing.
'We gave ourselves permission to commit genocides and do invasions, so all of this is okay, akshully'.
It has always been a force for colonialism. NATO has killed millions in its invasions, including the recent ones into Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
No. Reread what I have said. My issue is not that NATO does not 'intervene' where it should. My issue is that NATO is fundamentally a colonial empire. It is a perpetrator of at least one genocide that is currently ongoing, and it is the most prolific invader in the world.
Literally Palestine.
In what way does that contradict any of what I have said? Pissrael is de facto a part of NATO (arguing that Pissrael could have ever been as successful in its Lebensraum project without NATO is ridiculous), so that's literally an example of yet another invasion by NATO.
Both Pissraeli and USian troops have been on the ground there recently.
NATO has also done stuff like the bombing of Yemen and Iran recently, as well as the completion of the invasion of Syria just within the last 12 months.
Pissrael is de facto a part of NATO.
Yes. Yes.
You are literally claiming that the invasions of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan by NATO did not happen.
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― Jean-Paul Sartre
Going to note that you are yet to dispute any of what I have been saying with facts. You have only been throwing baseless accusations at me.
I do. Not sure how the fact that those are individual countries/states contradicts the facts that they engage in collaborative colonialist efforts and that they are also subservient to the US - the de facto head of NATO.
I have literally pointed out a bunch of places where NATO has operated.
You should, in fact, stop supporting and denying colonialism.
They werent funded, armed or trained by the ussr afaik and did not terrorise civilians.
I recommend providing sources next time youre making the comperison between nazi terror cells doing pogroms and some revolutionary groups doing targeted assasinations of fascist politicians. Provide a source that the assassination of Aldo moro was financed or otherwise materially supported by the ussr or shut up. Because I found nothing of the sort.
Either way still not remotely comparable to what the wannabe-dirlewangers did and still do: