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The same happened with communist parties funded by URSS at the time, and it is still happening with some parties openly supporting Putin.
In the end the blame goes to thee people for being so gullible to vote for parties that do the interests of foreign powers. US, Russia, (China?), doesn’t really matter.
No, the ussr did not fund paramilitary nazi groups formed from the remnants of former SS troops, or anything similar.
They always funded European left-wing parties at least until the fall of URSS. There were even cultural exchanges with European politicians going to Moscow. It was never a secret! The same thing is still happening today with some parties openly pro-Putin (at least until the invasion of Ukraine).
Some cultural exchanges and auxiliary funding is not remotely the same as arming and connecting former SS troops to create clandestine paramilitary terror cells, like wtf are we comparing here.
Maybe you missed it, but the ‘70s were wild with terrorism from both sides.
Which terror attacks did the pro-Soviet groups conduct?
For example they assassinated the Italian prime minister.
So, they killed a leader of a state involved in colonialism and genocides, as opposed to actually conducting a terror attack? Sounds like you've got nothing.
Colonialism and genocide in Italy in the 70s? 🤣
Enjoy that beer you’re drinking!
Sounds like you have been living under a rock. Italy had already been a member of NATO by 1970, which already makes them complicit in things like the Lebensraum genocide in Palestine.
You claim that you are from Europe, but you are evidently very ignorant of its history.
NATO is a defensive alliance. Read the basics at least.
This is hilarious.
It has, apparently, been very 'defensively' committing the genocide in Palestine, and it so very 'defensively' invaded Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Vietnam, Korea, etc. /s
Only people with no knowledge of history and no knowledge of what has been happening this century think that it's a defensive alliance.
Also, what was/is it a defensive alliance of and from? Are you going to argue that it hasn't been an alliance defending colonial metropoles and settler-colonies from justice?
You should follow your own advice and learn about what it has been doing.
NATO always had a UN mandate to intervene, except for the war in Yugoslavia since Russia vetoed it. NATO conducts peacekeeping missions, often positioning in between two factions.
If you want to argue that NATO ignores 9 out of 10 conflicts and intervenes only where it’s convenient for the West, that’s a fair point, but accusations of genocide are simply ridiculous.
Just to name an example of your BS, Israel attacked the UNIFIL forces because they held their defensive position in Lebanon.
'We gave ourselves permission to commit genocides and do invasions, so all of this is okay, akshully'.
It has always been a force for colonialism. NATO has killed millions in its invasions, including the recent ones into Iran, Syria, Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
No. Reread what I have said. My issue is not that NATO does not 'intervene' where it should. My issue is that NATO is fundamentally a colonial empire. It is a perpetrator of at least one genocide that is currently ongoing, and it is the most prolific invader in the world.
Literally Palestine.
In what way does that contradict any of what I have said? Pissrael is de facto a part of NATO (arguing that Pissrael could have ever been as successful in its Lebensraum project without NATO is ridiculous), so that's literally an example of yet another invasion by NATO.
NATO is not even present in Palestine.
Israel collaborates with NATO like several other Mediterranean non-NATO countries do. Are NATO members also responsible for the violations of human rights in Egypt? What about those in Tunisia?
You are clearly full of ideology and less of facts.
Both Pissraeli and USian troops have been on the ground there recently.
NATO has also done stuff like the bombing of Yemen and Iran recently, as well as the completion of the invasion of Syria just within the last 12 months.
Pissrael is de facto a part of NATO.
Yes. Yes.
You are literally claiming that the invasions of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan by NATO did not happen.
I claim you don’t know the difference between individual countries and NATO and you are so full of yourself that you can’t even search where NATO actually operated and where didn’t.
I stop here, feel free to continue telling yourself you’re right.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
Going to note that you are yet to dispute any of what I have been saying with facts. You have only been throwing baseless accusations at me.
I do. Not sure how the fact that those are individual countries/states contradicts the facts that they engage in collaborative colonialist efforts and that they are also subservient to the US - the de facto head of NATO.
I have literally pointed out a bunch of places where NATO has operated.
You should, in fact, stop supporting and denying colonialism.
They werent funded, armed or trained by the ussr afaik and did not terrorise civilians.
I recommend to read the full page of whatever you googled next time 👋
I recommend providing sources next time youre making the comperison between nazi terror cells doing pogroms and some revolutionary groups doing targeted assasinations of fascist politicians. Provide a source that the assassination of Aldo moro was financed or otherwise materially supported by the ussr or shut up. Because I found nothing of the sort.
Either way still not remotely comparable to what the wannabe-dirlewangers did and still do: