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AOC’s office vandalized after recent House vote involving US aid to Israel
(www.theguardian.com)
A Bronx office of the US House member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was vandalized early on Monday, according to New York City police, who say they are investigating.
The vandalism occurred after Ocasio-Cortez on Friday voted against a defense spending bill amendment authored by the Republican congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia that would have eliminated funding for the system protecting Israel from missiles.
Her vote on Greene’s amendment prompted the Democratic Socialists of America to issue a statement accusing Ocasio-Cortez of backing Israel’s “eliminationist campaign against the Palestinian people”.
Everyone is so ready to drop her based on vibes so quickly that it kinda shines a light on why progressives fail. They could do a million things you agree with, but as soon as they do one thing you don't like they are immediately the devil. They are held up to such high standards that it's basically impossible to do everything right. I'm not saying her decision was correct or that her reasoning is correct. What I'm saying is that she is still one of the only politicians actively going against the encroaching fascism and oligarchy.
Like, I get it. Every single time I see Israel getting more money it pisses me off on a deep level. But I'm not going to hate someone for one of their decisions in a swimming pool of the exact opposite. Trump could shoot someone in broad daylight and be in the Epstein files and still have a base yet we hold our side up to such high expectations that we'd alienate them if they made a faux pas during an interview.
Maybe stop expecting everyone to be perfect and exactly what you want them to be and lower your fucking expectations a bit. She's still trying to fight for you while everyone else is doing exact the opposite.
Edit: Based upon the fact that most of y'all are saying that I'm defending genocide kinda proves my point. We should absolutely be angry at what's going on over there and we should never defend people that support genocide. But at the same time you should maybe direct your anger towards something productive instead of lashing out at people over the internet. Join a protest, advocate for ending support to Israel, and keep bringing up the issue and make it stay relevant. But don't think for a second that your anger will accomplish anything in a vacuum. This was literally one of her talking points 3 months ago and y'all have forgotten it in your anger. And maybe if you're expecting people to just "be better" you should probably be prepared to be disappointed every once in a while without feeling the need to attack people.
I expect people to not support genocide.
That's the bare minimum. That's my red line.
I'm willing to compromise so far with liberals over every fucking thing, but genocide is the limit. Israel's Iron Dome enables it's genocide, voting for it makes her complicit.
And if you're willing to compromise over genocide you are complicit too.
Justice will come.
Well, this was pretty much Kamala's stance on the issue yet millions in the US had no problem voting for her, and those that did take a stand against her decided fascism in the US was a good compromise. I'm not saying she's right and I'm just as pissed at her for her vote. I'm just saying that shortsightedness accomplishes next to nothing. The only thing being pissed off at AOC accomplishes is making the other side, and Israel itself, more powerful in the long run. And we are actively going after AOC specifically and not even holding all the other people that voted for it accountable.
You are a cycnic. You believe Kamala and AOC are as good as it gets and expecting anything better is a waste of time.
Last election Democrats tried defending genocide instead of pushing their politicians to do better. Look where that got you. Are you still refusing to learn from it? Stop trying to defend it already.
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/aoc-is-a-genocidal-con-artist
Lot of folks are willing to draw the line at genocide.
And people should. But they would've got the money anyway so why are we specifically pissed off at her but not anyone else in the house? Seriously, give it a week and everyone will still be pissed at AOC specifically while everyone else that voted for it will be out of the public eye.
because she dons the progressive hat and takes it off according to her convenience, and people don't like to be played upon.
And because the media are amplifying it.
So she's like 90% of politicians? Don't get me wrong, I get it. I'm definitely not as much of a fan of her after this just like everyone else, but I've seen people making death threats and calling her the worst things imaginable. To me this is starting to sound more and more like a parasocial type situation where they think that because she's popular on social media that she's their friend when in reality she's just doing what politicians do. I mean, even though Bernie Sanders has been trying to advocate for Palestinians he also refuses to call it a genocide and still gets crazy support.
When you spend your career painting yourself as a saviour of leftism in government, then stab leftism along with the rest of the government, you will get more backlash.
It's "wolf vs wolf in sheep's clothing".
Also Bernie is a Zionist pos as well. He (wrongfully) gets grace because he's old and a lot of peoples first forrays into politics was 2016 and 2020 when he was blatantly robbed by the DNC.
i don't think she acts like 90% of the politicians since at least republicans are indeed free to act exactly like the program of their party. conservatives and reactionaries don't have to play double games because in a capitalist system they have free reins, whereas progressive and social-democrats have to remind capitalists all the time how reliable they are to them, and in return they get the donations and resources they need to get elected, remain in power by not being removed through political means or lawfare, and are not branded as pariahs, i.e., radical communists.
however, i do get the point when she receives death threats, and i think that is undefendable and i suspect that this has got something to do with her being a young woman. but i don't believe this was the case here since she was being pressured, not having her life or of those associated with her threatened. what people are saying, even though with red paint and an angry sign, is that "if you still want our votes and be associated with our values, you'd better change your stance". as for bernie, it might be because he's still much more inside social democracy than AOC even though he's still playing comfortable with his genocide stance, it might be because he's a white male. my guess is 80% the first reason and 20% for the latter.
"it's just one genocide come on! stop letting perfect be the enemy of good!!"
i'd rather not lower my expectations to the point where genocide is acceptable thank you
Except AOC actually voted against the funding bill. All this is about a meaningless political stunt of a doomed amendment put forth by a racist conspiracy theorist conservative (MTG).
AOC herself defended """defensive""" weapns to Israel. She was against the amendment on those grounds.
Her and other progressives vote for "doomed" bills and amendments all the time, as do most politicians. They vote for them to signal their position and push those positions publicly as much as anything else.
Rashiba Tlaib voted for the amendment. AOC called her a nazi.
"we must give the German Reich the best defensive capabilities else civilians might die! Germany has a right to defend itself! Do you want more civilian casualties?!"
Note that I said I wouldn't fund the iron dome. I don't think Israel should receive any funding from the US. But apparently nuance isn't in vogue right now.
Keep stuffing that straw man.
How is it a strawman?
Would you support funding an iron dome for Russia against Ukraine?
A gun doesn't stop being a weapon because you used it in self defence, idiot.
By funding arms to Israel to protect it from consequences of committing a genocide and invading and bombing multiple neighbours, which then allows it to act with further impunity to keep doing what it's doing.
She straight up declared anyone who voted for it effectively a nazi. She called Tlaib and Omar nazis.
I wouldn't personally support funding anything in Russia or Israel.
A gun is an offensive weapon. It's not useful for self defense. You can't shoot bullets out of the air easily. There's no need for useless name-calling.
Except she voted against said funding by voting against the bill.
The iron dome existed before the current genocide. But you're literally saying that civilians in Israel should die because the people in control of the government and military are committing genocide. That's not justice. That's advocating for murder as a form of revenge on a group when everyone in the group is not responsible for the preceding injustice. You're applying the same logic as conservatives who pretend every Palestinian is a terrorist.
I'd be interested in defending Israel entirely. The conservatives in the majority in Congress will not allow that to happen. However AOC voted or even if she abstained, the results would not be any different.
She literally didn't say that. If she did, you could quote her saying "Tlaib and Omar are Nazis." You're assigning that meaning to her words and then getting upset at your own interpretation.
Yet here you are defending funding the iron dome. Weird that.
A missile is an offensive weapon. What do you think the iron dome is? Idiot.
Yet she defended funding the iron dome, which is giving arms to Israel.
Irrelevant to the point.
Irrelevant to the point. You're saying Russian civilians should die by saying you wouldn't fund anything in Russia. You also said the same about Israel, so you also support killing Israeli civilians according to you.
You're saying German civilians should die because you refuse to provide Hitler with AA guns.
???? nonsensical.
"If you believe neo-nazis are welcome and operating in good faith, you can have them!" She said about people voting in favour of the amendment. She called Ilhan and Tlaib nazis.
And Israel could leave Palestine (and Lebanon, and Syria, and stop attacking Iran). You're just a rank hypocrite who supports arming genocide
You are an absurdly obtuse and disingenuous person.
Iron Dome funding is sending arms to Israel. Iron Dome protects Israel as it invades its neighbours and commits a genocide. It's that simple.
You are defending a vote against stripping iron dome funding, accusing others of being in favour of killing civilians whilst trying to claim you also don't support funding Israel. You can't have it both ways. You support killing of civilians with your own stupid fucking rhetoric.
You are genuinely a fucking moron. I said nothing about Dresden or dropping nukes. You are literally advocating for sending AA guns to Hitler by equating and reducing all forms of military response as being one and the same as mass murder of civilians to suggest it's legitimate to support funding for the Iron Dome as "defensive".
No, it protects Israel regardless of whether Israel is committing genocide. But all of that is beside the point.
I'm not defending the vote so much as pointing out that it was a meaningless vote. There's nothing to defend or attack because the amendment is a non-issue. It was a meaningless political stunt by a racist conspiracy theorist.
Favour? As in British or Australian English? You're not an American voter? This seems like a pointless discussion then.
I don't support funding for Israel. It's an apartheid state and has committed genocidal war crimes.
You can if you see the nuance and not just look at everything like it's just so simple based on your first gut reaction.
No, I don't. Quote me where I said I want civilians killed.
You're getting caught up in side issues. The issue is AOC voted against funding genocide in Israel. People are claiming she funded genocide by Israel. That is a provably false claim. It is a lie. Arguing over the amendment vote that didn't matter is a distraction.
You were discussing the deaths of civilians. Those are historical events relevant to that discussion. Also, there's no need for the ad hominems and name-calling.
I'm literally not. I was responding to your meaningless points that don't matter because you brought them up, but you haven't thought through all the implications. AA guns shoot down planes that have human beings in them. They aren't the same as missiles that only shoot down other missiles.
All of these discussions about AA guns and Russian civilians are just bad analogies that ignore the context and the nuance. We can continue to discuss them if you like, but they have no bearing on whether the amendment vote was ever possibly going to have any functional or practical effect whatsoever.
If MTG brought up an amendment that said everyone gets to live forever and AOC voted against it, would you claim AOC is pro-death or would you recognize that MTG's proposal was a useless measure that shouldn't be taken seriously?
But honestly, I don't care. If you're not an American voter, as I suspect you aren't, there's no value in convincing you of anything.
Just ignore the part where you kept suggesting the Iron Dome was "defensive" therefore it's OK and "not a weapon" (lmao) therefore voting in favour of it would be legitimate.
Again, you're just an obtuse moron twisting yourself into a pretzel pretending its nuance.
You're just not a serious person. Learn to shut the fuck up.
You know what you could've done with the time it took you to write this shit? Find a job.
Fuckin loser 🌝
Oh no, a conservative boomer-grade insult! Should I get off your lawn too? Pull myself up by my own bootstraps? Invest in plastics?
You know what you can do?
spoiler
Put that energy into a mf job 🌚And if I have a job already? And if putting effort into a job isn't mutually exclusive with commenting in an online forum, what then? I'm really interested in getting life advice from randos on the internet. Please help me. You're my only hope.
Glad to see 4chan levels of maturity have spread to Lemmy.
What vibes? AOC said she wants to send weapons to Israel using American taxpayer dollars so Israel can keep committing genocide. There is no mistaking her intentions.
Stop calling genocide supporters progressives. AOC is not a progressive. She is full establishment.
Isn't that the exact opposite of what she said in your screenshot? Support for defensive equipment and against offensive weapons.
Let's send defensive weapons to nazi germany during the holocaust.
"Defensive" as Israel invades and occupies multiple countries.
The distinction between defensive and offensive is meaningless.
Don't let facts get in the way
Alright, if that's the case then you should hold everyone in the house and senate to the same standards because they are all doing this. You say it's not based on vibes yet I bet you can't even name half the people in the house that voted for it without looking it up. Why does she have higher standards than the rest of them?
I'm just saying you need to pick your battles. Whether you like it or not, AOC is still one of the best chances to end this when you look at the entirety of the US government. Why make an enemy at this stage?
Maybe she is the focus because her and her fanbase insist she is so great, like you are doing here, yet she constantly proves the opposite.
You don't have to constantly warn that the blatant Zionist is a Zionist, they tell you themselves.
lower your expectations even lower guys, maybe then things will improve!