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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 69 points 5 days ago

As incredibly horrifying as that would be to witness (especially as children), I can't help but wonder how many millions died due to deprivation while toiling under the landlords, simply due to their class. Like, I can completely understand these landlords' kids never getting over that trauma, but I hope anyone reading that account would wonder at the conditions that brought it about.

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 75 points 5 days ago

"THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves." - Mark Twain

[-] wolfinthewoods@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

Twain was such a fucking amazing person. One of my favorite books of all time will always be a Conneticut Yankee in King Aurthur's Court.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago

Yes! Love that quote, and love Twain.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 44 points 5 days ago

I doubt this person has spent very long considering the suffering of the peasants and instead decided that Mao was an evil wizard who cast a spell on the peasantry. In reality, there were regions in China just prior to the land reform where peasants were made to pay genuinely 9/10 of their harvest and weren't treated very well even beyond this, as they were often enough conscripted into various sorts of unpaid labor like construction, politically completely voiceless due to landlords dominating local governance, beaten even just for perceived disrespect (to say nothing of crimes of want), publicly humiliated, subjected to SV in various forms, trapped in debt via malicious usury, and sold their own harvest back to them at inflated rates during times of famine.

I strongly believe in rehabilitative justice. If I grew up in their position, I would not hesitate to demand the deaths of the monsters who inflicted this on myself, my family, and my fellows, so I think the fact that so many landlords survived is, if anything, a testament to the mercy and pragmatism of the peasantry.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Shit, how many kids saw their parents beaten to death by the landlords and bosses' men?

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago

For sure, and how many parents saw their children beaten and starved by the bosses? My point is that for a reader (presumably) far removed from that contemporary China, we definitely have the advantage of analyzing the material context: landlords being beaten to death was brought about by the conditions the landlords themselves created! It still sucks on a human level for children of any class to experience such horror, but that just kind of is what it is.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah, i guess I was just kind of struck by the bleak observation, made possible by distance, that these periods of exploitation and abuse, these stories of blood and misery, always seem to end in one big ironic crescendo that's never fair to the kids. Such a horrible self fulfilling prophecy where the powerful will exercise unlimited violence to keep their power, and make any outcome other than open conflict inpossible. It's like they know no solutions to unrest other than ultraviolence, and can't stop even when it comes home to them.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

It definitely has the vibe of an inevitable cycle. Breaking the wheel means eternal vigilance, I guess.

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