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[-] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 days ago

A simpler solution is to simply abolish wealth hoarding, impose sensible consumption limits (so, no cars or commercial plane travel, no meat, no 800 watt gaming rigs), and continue to encourage population decline. Boom, everyone is healthy, the air is clean, and you can keep your house.

[-] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I always wonder what happens if commercial air travel is banned. Cruise ships are obviously worse for the environment than planes, but are there ships that are fast enough to be feasible for people traveling for less than a month while actually being sustainable or are the americas and Australia just going to be effectively isolated from Eurasia and Africa?

It’s worth it if it’s the only way to survive, obviously, but I wonder what the effects would be. I’m a transatlantic immigrant, and I’d be willing to take a three month trip by ship to visit my family once a decade or so, but I can’t imagine most people wanting or being able to do that.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

that's how you start a civil war. lots of people will rebel against oppression

[-] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

I wonder if they think the down votes make your statement less true.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 days ago

voting by emotion

[-] arrow74@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

And that's why our species will die in the muck after we drain this planet of everything it needs to support our lives

[-] Iapetus@slrpnk.net -3 points 2 days ago

Humanity won't develop altruistic tendencies at the last second, I mean ffs we haven't yet in all of recorded history, so why in the our final 50 years of climate apocalypse and resource wars, would we?

We deserve to die off and we should, our species is terrible. All fantasies otherwise are illogical.

[-] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

our species isn't more or less terrible like any other species on this planet that was able to utilize ressources better. for example trees: when they came along the absolutely strangled the planet, until their waste product (oxygen) became so concentrated that todays humans would die of it. even their corpses littered the floor in meter thick layers! (that's what todays coal is). I'm pretty sure that during this change biodiversity took a hard crash until life was able to adapt.

this continued until finally a bacterium developed the ability to degrade cellulose. i'm pretty sure the trees weren't too happy about that one, it must have been a massacre.

the same story happens in every bottle of juice: bacteria grow inside, exhausting all available ressources, culminating in a mass dieoff with a few scavengers left over. It's just a question if our intelligence allows us to take a different path or not.

[-] Iapetus@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And do you think humanity as a whole is intelligent, organised, and altruistic enough to willingly 'take a different path'?

Most motherfuckers wouldn't even wear masks during covid and yet you think they're going to embrace this? Lmao.

[-] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

I didn't say how optimistic i am, just that we are not special in our interaction with the biosphere - not at all. The tragedy is that we are the first that have enough intellect to reflect about those facts, so we are the first that even have the possibility to escape the cycle. if not, we probably will be reduced to scavengers, just like the bacteria in the juice bottle.

[-] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Any animal that would fight against sensible restrictions like these, which seek to make the earth livable for their children and grandchildren, is rabid and should be extirpated.