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No, we are not over capacity for survival. We waste a ton of water on stuff we don't need, like having lawns in the desert or choosing to grow almonds during droughts when people have to ration water usage at home. . Top soil is the same, we could, collectively, switch from beef and to a lesser extent pork to focus on much more efficient chicken, thus freeing a lot of land used to feed livestock.
Stop this Malthusian nonsense, we have enough resources for everyone. They are just severely mismanaged to the point of killing us all. We could live sustainably if we wanted to, we just choose not to.
So you agree that as things are, there aren't enough resources for the current population, let alone billions more people.
This complete overhaul of the structure of society that keeps being mentioned here is an impossible pipe dream fantasy that is flat out just not ever going to ever happen as it fundamentally goes against human nature.
Human beings aren't capable of altruism. What about the world around you ever gave you the idea that we were?
Most people won't even go vegetarian (let alone vegan!), and yet you expect the rich and powerful to just roll over and give up all their money and power for this imaginary 'greater good' scenario that will save the world?
Stop believing in stupid fairytales, they won't save you from the world that is falling apart right in front of you.
Fuck off with your capitalist realism. The same arguments could have been made with feudalism before it.
Maybe you lack the historical knowledge and imagination to imagine a better world but your personal failures aren't reflective of "human nature."
Lmao, good luck with your revolution. I'm sure you won't need it though, not if you just believe hard enough in the power of goodness and altruism. Lol.
One last point I'd like you to consider though, if we're ignoring resource depletion and just how unsuitable humans are for perfect communism, as you so far have been; how do you plan on defying physics and turning the clock back on the catastrophic climate collapse we're now in the end game for?
These are the words of world-famous mainstream scientist David Suzuki, and IPCC expert reviewer Peter Carter, telling us it is already too late. We are out of time.
You telling people to keep having kids, and that the world can sustain billions more people than it currently does, is literally only making things worse for everyone. Or do you not understand that each new person born, adds massively to our carbon footprint?
So it's now up to you. Are you an accelerationist who wants to make shit worse for everyone in the limited time we have left? Or are you just really, really, REALLY fucking stupid?
bro thinks I give a fuck about his opinion and wrote an essay
Oh so you're just an anti-intellectual mouthbreather, good, you sounded okay for a bit there
lol: me, an intellectual, gets into Internet arguments
You: a mouthbreather, not taking time out of your day to disprove tired arguments
100+ years of socialist and communist philosophy and nobody considered that actually human capitalist by nature though
Nah that wasn't his point, I don't think at least. I'm Def with you there, mr.communism himself Marx addressed this dumbass argument before communism entered the vernacular again in the 1900s.
By the principle of charity we can go with your interpretation.
Kropotkin's Mutual Aid directly covers this topic as well. Altruism is natural and occurs throughout our history, arguably cooperation is the basis of our civilization.
Dominating aggressive cultures have attacked and eradicated more peaceful cultures, sure, but you can't call one human nature and the other not.
I guess I don't see what the point is besides defeatism and playing in to the hands of those that want us to continue doing nothing?
I took read Mutual Aid by Kropotkin.
As he puts it in the very title: "Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution".
Key being a factor Not the factor
At the time, most of research into evolution revolved around the idea of competition as the driving force in an arms race for resources between organisms. Obviously this is still true, though like Kropotkin observed, we also understand that there is harmony and cooperation both between organisms for each others benefit and in the broader sense of ecosystem equilibrium.
I think it's important to have such discussions anyway because any doubts must be addressed not via faith, but via critical examination, so that we find the more correct reason to maintain revolutionary optimism, it is precisely to defeat defeatism with a resolve forged in fire of the scrutiny. That said, I think this is too heated and came across as an attack, I also don't want to play into anyone's hands, I was being needlessly pedantic, I retract my statement.
Stupid it is.
when you grow up you'll realize that it's even more stupid to engage with people like you
Have the future you deserve.
I tried to warn you.