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Image is of the Preah Vihear Temple on the Cambodian border. Image sourced from the UNESCO World Heritage website.


Over the last few days, Thailand and Cambodia entered into a heightened stage of conflict due to a long-running border dispute. Like many problems on this planet, Europeans are ultimately to blame - specifically France. Certain sections of the border drawn up by France about a century ago were not fully agreed upon by both sides, with the ownership of some Khmer temples being the most visible points of disagreement.

Despite interventions in favor of Cambodia in the 1960s and later 2010s by the ICJ - one of the mainly mostly useless global institutions that liberals periodically disown - the border conflict has simmered at a generally low level. Of the two countries, Thailand is significantly more militarily and economically powerful.

Last Wednesday, a Thai soldier lost his leg by stepping on a landmine, prompting a rapid escalation between Cambodia and Thailand that has since resulted in dozens of deaths and tens of thousands displaced. Cambodia was willing to come to the negotiating table fairly quickly, but Thailand was more hesitant. International pressure on the two countries by Malaysia, China, and the United States eventually forced Thailand to the table, and they have recently agreed to an immediate ceasefire courtesy of ASEAN.

Notably, Trump refused to hold trade talks with either country until they agreed to peace, which suggests that he really wants a Nobel Peace Prize - which he seems a shoe-in for given that he's met the two most important requirements that several Nobel Peace Prize recipients have needed to meet in the past, which are: 1) start at least one war, and 2) accelerate the genocide of millions of people as billions more people watch on. His policies vis-a-vis ICE creating a domestic terror regime only further increase his chances of winning the prize.


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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

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English-language twitter account that collates news.
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Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If demonstrating the "failure" of electoralism is a prerequite for revolution, then that means electoralism is in fact a crucial tactic that will help achieve socialism

This isn't semantics, the failure of analysis from the doomer faction is assuming the "demonstration of failure" arises from losing elections, it doesn't, the demonstration effect is only possible after you win

I agree with this, but it's also fraught with danger. Chile being the fundamental example of what we do not want to replicate.

With that said, a socialist winning within the democrat party is not the same thing at all. We must win in socialist parties. Although I am not even sure if that is possible in the american system.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago

You know what happens when socialists take over a significant portion of the democratic party? Centrists will leave and form third parties and just like that we tricked the capitalists into creating a viable third party ecosystem within the US

But we have to win first, the democratic party is a husk and breaking it is the prerequisite for creating a socialist party and a good way to break it is to have socialists win elections, counterintuitive but you have to factor in the ideological rigidity of neolibs and use it to our advantage

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You know what happens when socialists take over a significant portion of the democratic party? Centrists will leave and form third parties and just like that we tricked the capitalists into creating a viable third party ecosystem within the US

That is not what happened over here in the UK.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't take anything that happens in Britain as a lesson of what not to do or to do, the country is a historical outlier

Corbyn had the advantage and let it slip from his fingers because he couldn't articulate a coherent brexit position and couldn't an obvious coup in his own party, that's incompetence

[-] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 days ago

the country is a historical outlier.

Not true at all. The same thing happened in Germany with the SPD and Die Linke. And I can assure its the same in other euro countries. In fact the UK should be very poignant to americans, culturally (and materially) its much closer than russia and china.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago

Corbyn had the advantage and let it slip from his fingers because he couldn't articulate a coherent brexit position

That's not what happened at all. Corbyn's Brexit position was hamstrung by party democracy. In his first election where he nearly beat May the policy was a simple "we will implement brexit but do it in the least damaging way to working people" and this was fine, almost won in fact. In his second election the policy of holding a second referendum was put forwards by none other than Keir Starmer, this policy is not something that Corbyn wanted but he was bound to implement it by the democracy within the party. His fence sitting surrounding what Labour would do became an issue of they didn't know what they would do because they didn't know what the result of second referendum would be and he did not know whether he himself would campaign for or against Brexit in a second referendum if they won the election (which they obviously didn't). This whole thing was designed to fuck the party, trigger a new leadership election where Starmer would try for leader.

and couldn't an obvious coup in his own party, that's incompetence

Starmer had most of the party fooled. The extent of how much he lies and lies and lies only truly became visible after he was party leader. Yeah a lot of people didn't think he was a socialist but also didn't think he was worse than most tories.

I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't take anything that happens in Britain as a lesson of what not to do or to do, the country is a historical outlier

I think the decline of the American empire will look very similar to the decline of the British empire, both in how it plays out and in what political landscape emerges. I argue frequently that we're still playing out the retraction of the British empire, many holdings are still to go independent or back to more obvious countries that should have them. I'm not really convinced that a coherent idea of what the country should be in the future can even occur until this historical retraction has played out in its entirety so that the people finally move on from the past identity as an "empire" and forwards into visions of what their future identity should be. I personally suspect that the retraction must fundamentally play out fully before this can occur.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Nothing you wrote contradicts anything I said above, and frankly half of it is excuse making for Corbyn's terrible leadership and dogshit political instincts, if someone is fooled by Keir Stramer of all people then they're a dumbass and Corbyn was a naive dumbass

Corbyn's brexit plan should've been simple "I don't like it but I'll implement it and we'll tax the rich to pay for any damage" and then he should've booted out any party hack who opposed that plan as "anti-democratic" and let the opposition and media argue for why democracy is bad, but no he stood there with his mouth wide open and let it become a weapon against him

I personally suspect that the retraction must fundamentally play out fully before this can occur.

Do you think Gaza can wait for this retraction process?

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah I don't think anyone is going to argue with you over Corbyn being too nice and not hard enough. This is not something that was being said during his tenure though, nobody was calling for purges, the complaints that Corbyn didn't purge the right began after the right engaged in their purge. A lesson the entire British left had to learn the hard way I suppose. Everyone here has been entirely too naive, honestly nobody expected the liberals in the big tent alliance to be as ruthless as they have been.

This lesson led to the left making its own party. So in a sense electoralism has led us to a new party, and the successes and failures of this new party should lead to something else. What that is remains to be seen. Even if a socialist party wins in Britain... It's not possible for this party to change much with the monarchy and the house of lords in the way, the army is also never going to side with the people.

Do you think Gaza can wait for this retraction process?

Of course not. But whether it can or can not wait does not change the material conditions as they are. Put it this way, is socialism likely in either the US or Britain in the next 10 years? No. Gaza may be unable to wait 10 years, we can't change that though. Of course I still try and do what I can though.

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

what is this entryist nonsense? you cant take over a bourgeois party. that will never happen. have you seen what happened to UK labour with Corbyn?

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

Chasing out centrists from a party or splitting their party is not an entryist position, working with them and compromising your socialist POLICIES are the factors that define entryism

What I'm describing is a fuckin coup from the grassroots, if you want to be obtuse and call that entryism then go ahead, at that point even creating an independent workers party would classify as entryism since you're participating in the system and accepting election results

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

As I’ve said, the democrats are a bourgeois party. They will always prioritize bourgeois interests. Why would you want to spend any energy organizing a coup when you can just build a separate party? Why would the democratic establishment allow a grassroots movement to take power? There is no mechanism in the party that would allow anything even close to that happen.

[-] Chana@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

The only value for any minimally principled socialist to run as a Democrat is to get ballot access. Trying to take over the bourgeois party that doesn't have to play by any internal rules is and always has been foolish and unserious.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

Why would you want to spend any energy organizing a coup when you can just build a separate party?

START A THIRD PARTY, who's saying you shouldn't? That doesn't mean you shouldn't ALSO primary dems every chance you get, cause look what happens when you do, you take over New York City

Why would the democratic establishment allow a grassroots movement to take power?

Zohran won, did the dem establishment want that?

There is no mechanism in the party that would allow anything even close to that happen.

There is a mechanism, it's called primarying dems and winning elections, it's called a tactic

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

Yeah that worked very well with Bernie Sanders

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

Bernie is a liberal zionist, Zohran is not

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

So how does that make Zohrans chances better at "taking over the democrats"

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We don't need him to "take over the democrats" we need him to create a safe haven in New York City, after that then we can talk about the utility of taking over the dems or not

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

what do you mean by a safe haven exactly

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

Oh I don't know take a wild guess, how about a static and soon to be shrinking police budget and an expanded social service corp, sounds like a good start doesn't it

[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

You know what happens when socialists take over a significant portion of the democratic party? Centrists will leave and form third parties and just like that we tricked the capitalists into creating a viable third party ecosystem within the US

Is there a historical precedent to base this claim on?

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah it's called the Goldwater effect, his loss (Bernie) ironically transformed the Republican party by opening it up to its radical fascist wing which allowed them to capture the base and take over the party

The left has taken over the democratic base, now we need a Ronald Reagan-like avatar to leverage that capture and weather the centrist backlash, is it Zohran, maybe, it certainly isn't AOC or Bernie

[-] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 days ago

The difference between Barry Goldwater and leftists, is that Goldwater's politics were not a threat to capital.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

Same goes for Gary Hart and the New Democrats

[-] Chana@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

There are no examples of anticapitalists gaining power from this.

[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

the Goldwater effect

I'm only getting 'Goldwater rule' stuff from psychology/psychiatry when trying to look this up. Not sure what events you are referring to.

his loss (Bernie) ironically transformed the Republican party by opening it up to its radical fascist wing which allowed them to capture the base and take over the party

Are you saying that the Republican party had a more openly ghoulish faction take over the leadership of the party, which followed by the party splitting? What events are you referring to in this case?

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

Despite Goldwater's loss his campaign opened the door for radical elements of the far-right to take over the Republican Party and initiate the Reagan Revolution, the loss stimulated feelings of betrayal among the right and energized them against old party elites

A similar dynamic has taken place between Berniecrats and the democratic party, this dynamic was almost extinguished thanks to Covid and the unexpected victory of Biden which solidified neolib control of the party, but that dynamic has returned with a vengeance and now we have another shot, despite the capitulationist politics of figures like AOC and Bernie

Unfortunately some online leftists who've been too busy possessing 2020 trauma haven't detected the shift in conditions and are pretending Zohran didn't just win the primary for the greatest metropolitan polity in the United States

It took ten years for the first Goldwater effect to bare fruit, a similar delay has taken place with the Sanders effect and now we're seeing the emergence of a fully matured socialist politics that has potential to upturn the country and leave socdems like AOC and Bernie in the dust

[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

Goldwater

Who?

Despite Goldwater's loss his campaign opened the door for radical elements of the far-right to take over the Republican Party and initiate the Reagan Revolution, the loss stimulated feelings of betrayal among the right and energized them against old party elites

So, are you saying that a lot of Republicans split into a different party (or parties) during those events? When was this, and what were the parties?

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Who?

The Bernie Sanders of the right, from the sixties, he ate shit but inspired alot of 1st gen Republican neolibs like John McCain

So, are you saying that a lot of Republicans split into a different party (or parties) during those events? When was this, and what were the parties?

The split occurred when Ross Perot almost upended the two party system in the 90s, the neolib faction gained control of the Republican Party long before that under Reagan, and since centrists aren't all that hostile toward radical right-wingers, it took 15 years for the split to finally manifest with Perot

If a similar dynamic occurs with the democratic party, it wouldn't take 15 years for a split to manifest like with the Republicans

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