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[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 week ago

Ok so I'm gonna dive into the climate change aspect here. Because it is important. Here's the thing. The people who are doomer are not exactly wrong. It is bad. It is going to completely decimate the world, and things will be forever changed.

The thing is there are ways to mitigate its impact. Things that nations like China WILL do. I'm not talking about reducing carbon emissions. That's a seperate thing. What I'm talking about is build infrastucture that is ready for a post-climate change world.

Take hurricanes for example. Cities today are built to survive pre-climate change storms. We would just need to build new cities. In different areas probably. That are built to survive the stronger storms. Concrete dome homes are cheap, easy to build, and strong as shit for example. You just use an airform, put down rebar, and spray on the quickcrete. under 50k usd and youve got a hurricane proof house. At worst you replace a window, but you can also just have shutters to cover those. For a little bit more money they can even be built to survive complete submersion in a storm surge.

For sky scrapers theres no reason we cant build the bottom 10-15 floors to be submerisble, and have retractable covers on the bottom that we raise during storms. Have walkways above the storm surge level to walk between buildings during flooding. Subways where the stations open up into the bottom of the building instead of the street.

It's not even cutting edge tech. And its not that much more expensive than some of the other stuff we already do.

For agriculture in the west we are largely kinda fucked. In China not so much. One of the challenges will be that we have all this fertile topsoil in the areas we currently farm, but were gonna have the climate to farm in more northern areas post-climate change. So how do you get millions of tons of soil 1000 miles further north? Boats are hard to load up. Most farmland isnt near the coast. Trucks don't carry enough. Would clog highways constantly. Planes are too expensive. There is one thing that's perfect for it though. High Speed Rail. HSR Cargo lines could be loaded up with topsoil in southern china and carry an astounding amount of it north into Manchuria to expand farms there as the climate warms.

So the point is. Climate change is bad. It's gonna require us to do a lot of work to adapt to it. But we can adapt. It's just that some governments are more capable of adapting than others. So when it gets really bad try to be in one of the countries like China with a competant government, and you'll be fine.

[-] BOLIBYA@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

I've been thinking about this lately and frankly I believe it will be necessary for most societies to adopt a form of ecological siege socialism if they are not to rescind into absolute barbarism with material conditions that manifest some horrible amalgamation of the social relations of old.

[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 week ago

I think that is a pretty decent way of looking at it. Right now we are in a phase where being open is good. As China has shown you can make a lot of progress doing trade right now. But we will reach a point where they will need to put their walls up, and wait out the storm. I don't think the threat is the climate though. I think it's the desperation that the change will instill in other nations. China seems to be preparing to keep their region stable which is smart. Keep the desperation lower in your local area. Let neighbors act as a buffer. Youll see a lot of resource wars. Water wars. Lithium wars. etc. Because the nations that didnt prepare will try to take what they need by force. So the only AES state i really worry about is Cuba. It's isolated, and surrounded by potential enemies. It's climate situation is really bad too.

Laos, Vietnam, and the DPRK have China right there. China will keep that region pretty safe through it all. The further away from China you are the worse off you'll be. Because when the US decides to start looting the world very few places will be safe. You either want to be somewhere that doesn't have anything they'll want, or be somewhere that has nukes, or a nuclear ally to defend them.

[-] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

I'll just clarify that when I say I'm not doomer I am not convinced that climate change will lead to total human extinction. So depending on people's perspective I could well be doomer. But yes the death and destruction from climate change will be unprecedented.

I also think that the reason China and Russia will weather the climate change better is because they have resources. They aren't like Europe with capital (at the point of climate change basically worthless digital data).

I agree with your conclusions one hundred percent. If you want to survive climate change go to a place where the government isn't already prepared to let it's populace die. The US is not that place and the US has already shown it doesn't care about it's populace. Look at COVID, homelessness, healthcare etc. Too many examples to list. What is especially funny is that the US population is so brain broken they can be convinced to die off voluntarily

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