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Even more than my sadness we didn't reach that kind of world (yet?), is my jealousy at having so much good reason to actually hope for a brighter future like this.
You've never had to chant: 'Shame on the Israeli aggressors!'....We are building communism, but you are living in it.
Imagine living with that kind of optimism for the future
I just wish every word in it, turned out to be true. What have we done?
You have never had to chant "Shame on the Israeli aggressors"
True, but only because it's too soft. 
What we lost so billionaires could be pedophiles and Zionazis could be removed genociders. Holy fucking shit
You never had to chant 'Shame on the Israeli aggressors!'....We are building communism, but you are living in it.
Damn, this one hit like a gut punch
Yea 😢
They might not have gotten the world they wanted to see entirely, but we aren't completely lost. China is a socialist nation that has some pretty futuristic tech. If you look at it like China taking up the torch for the USSR we haven't gone backwards progress has just been slower than they expected. We just need to keep fighting, and we will get there eventually. The USSR might have fallen but what it accomplished did not go away. The USSR is the reason the American Empire is already weakening today. It's the reason China was able to develop like it did. The reason the DPRK has the weapons it needs to defend itself. etc.
The spectre of the USSR still haunts America to this day. Every area where the USSR prevented American Hegemony from taking hold now fights back against America. Death by 1000 cuts. The effort America had to put in the compete with the USSR strained it's economy, and caused it to hasten it's own decline. America did not come out of the Cold War unscathed.
Don't let the efforts the people who wrote that made go to waste. Don't stop fighting. Don't fall into despair. They lost millions to the Nazis and they didn't fall into despair. They turned the tide, and marched on Berlin. That is the mindset we need today. No matter how bad things seem you never give in.
I think once America collapses the entire capitalist house of cards will fall apart. The communist leaning countries will be the only functional ones when that happens, China in particular, and other countries can follow their lead or rage and seethe about capitalism being a dogshit system as their world falls apart. The biggest challenges will be if China goes full communist (as it should) or let's the liberal brainrot poison their project and even more important the environmental damage that the cancer of capitalism will leave. A lot of people are totally doomer on climate change and tbh I don't what's going to happen. What makes me doomer is the capitalist systems complete and total disinterest in addressing this issue. If capitalism sticks around for too long before falling apart any potential window left will close
Ok so I'm gonna dive into the climate change aspect here. Because it is important. Here's the thing. The people who are doomer are not exactly wrong. It is bad. It is going to completely decimate the world, and things will be forever changed.
The thing is there are ways to mitigate its impact. Things that nations like China WILL do. I'm not talking about reducing carbon emissions. That's a seperate thing. What I'm talking about is build infrastucture that is ready for a post-climate change world.
Take hurricanes for example. Cities today are built to survive pre-climate change storms. We would just need to build new cities. In different areas probably. That are built to survive the stronger storms. Concrete dome homes are cheap, easy to build, and strong as shit for example. You just use an airform, put down rebar, and spray on the quickcrete. under 50k usd and youve got a hurricane proof house. At worst you replace a window, but you can also just have shutters to cover those. For a little bit more money they can even be built to survive complete submersion in a storm surge.
For sky scrapers theres no reason we cant build the bottom 10-15 floors to be submerisble, and have retractable covers on the bottom that we raise during storms. Have walkways above the storm surge level to walk between buildings during flooding. Subways where the stations open up into the bottom of the building instead of the street.
It's not even cutting edge tech. And its not that much more expensive than some of the other stuff we already do.
For agriculture in the west we are largely kinda fucked. In China not so much. One of the challenges will be that we have all this fertile topsoil in the areas we currently farm, but were gonna have the climate to farm in more northern areas post-climate change. So how do you get millions of tons of soil 1000 miles further north? Boats are hard to load up. Most farmland isnt near the coast. Trucks don't carry enough. Would clog highways constantly. Planes are too expensive. There is one thing that's perfect for it though. High Speed Rail. HSR Cargo lines could be loaded up with topsoil in southern china and carry an astounding amount of it north into Manchuria to expand farms there as the climate warms.
So the point is. Climate change is bad. It's gonna require us to do a lot of work to adapt to it. But we can adapt. It's just that some governments are more capable of adapting than others. So when it gets really bad try to be in one of the countries like China with a competant government, and you'll be fine.
I've been thinking about this lately and frankly I believe it will be necessary for most societies to adopt a form of ecological siege socialism if they are not to rescind into absolute barbarism with material conditions that manifest some horrible amalgamation of the social relations of old.
I think that is a pretty decent way of looking at it. Right now we are in a phase where being open is good. As China has shown you can make a lot of progress doing trade right now. But we will reach a point where they will need to put their walls up, and wait out the storm. I don't think the threat is the climate though. I think it's the desperation that the change will instill in other nations. China seems to be preparing to keep their region stable which is smart. Keep the desperation lower in your local area. Let neighbors act as a buffer. Youll see a lot of resource wars. Water wars. Lithium wars. etc. Because the nations that didnt prepare will try to take what they need by force. So the only AES state i really worry about is Cuba. It's isolated, and surrounded by potential enemies. It's climate situation is really bad too.
Laos, Vietnam, and the DPRK have China right there. China will keep that region pretty safe through it all. The further away from China you are the worse off you'll be. Because when the US decides to start looting the world very few places will be safe. You either want to be somewhere that doesn't have anything they'll want, or be somewhere that has nukes, or a nuclear ally to defend them.
I'll just clarify that when I say I'm not doomer I am not convinced that climate change will lead to total human extinction. So depending on people's perspective I could well be doomer. But yes the death and destruction from climate change will be unprecedented.
I also think that the reason China and Russia will weather the climate change better is because they have resources. They aren't like Europe with capital (at the point of climate change basically worthless digital data).
I agree with your conclusions one hundred percent. If you want to survive climate change go to a place where the government isn't already prepared to let it's populace die. The US is not that place and the US has already shown it doesn't care about it's populace. Look at COVID, homelessness, healthcare etc. Too many examples to list. What is especially funny is that the US population is so brain broken they can be convinced to die off voluntarily
The communist leaning countries will be the only functional ones when that happens,
Not true at all. Most of the current greatest exporters of capitalist ideology will either implode (e.g. Taiwan) or be set on a serious back foot (e.g. Japan), but the Axis of Resistance is not Comintern, and after China some of the most powerful countries in the world will be Russia and Iran, which are decidedly not socialist, and most countries in the world will not be socialist. China's victory over America will be helpful because China has a posture of helping imperialized nations develop advanced capitalism, which is helpful to them directly and to the development of socialism, but it's only a fraction of the overall battle.
It's all plusses and minuses right. I just think that the US not exporting it's death cult ideology is such a huge step forward that it greatly outweighs its hindrance to reactionary countries like Iran and Russia. Iran I think has progressive potential. Because it has an identity that can't be easily flattened by capitalist or religious ideology. Russia is definitely a more unfortunate situation. Unfortunate because it's current setup is a reaction to decades of pressure and conflict with the capitalist west. It's hard to see Russia taking a progressive tilt in the future.
I'll edit this in but when I say communist leaning it's a general way to refer to countries like Vietnam, Cuba, even north Korea that are functional and progressive. Both are important because when the global capitalist machine stops working countries will need to adapt quickly and reactionary countries simply do no have the ability to do this. They will resort to their usual victim blaming of immigrants, LGBTQ etc but that won't change their material situation. some countries might resort to nazbol type ideology and that could work but I don't think it will work that well because right ideology always siphons resources to the top and that will destabilize these countries
I don't think this makes sense. Other than the puppets, who I agree will implode, the countries most negatively affected by this issue are ones that are underdeveloped and over-reliant on a narrow range of exports produced in large quantity (because imperialism deformed their economies). These countries will have trouble without as many buyers but, especially in the context of no longer being owned by so many international corporations (though those might just get bought out by Europe), they are still very under-developed, and therefore socialist construction is extremely difficult. It seems much more logical to assume that the vast majority of these will simply embrace nationalist capitalism, a movement that is much stronger in basically all of these countries than their respective socialist parties. It's not like they aren't out of buyers, especially with China making such an effort to inflate consumption, but communistly.
I don't think it will work that well because right ideology always siphons resources to the top and that will destabilize these countries
You need to stop relying on your intuition here, because your intuition is giving you very poor conclusions. Look at the world, look at it as it is now and as it has been for the past few centuries, and tell me that this statement makes any sense. Instability is inherent to capitalism, but that doesn't make capitalism weak and it doesn't mean that capitalism can't endure for centuries. If "siphoning resources to the top" was enough to make a state non-viable, we would have been in agrarian communist societies for the last 5,000 years instead of developing successive modes of production that only increase and increase stratification, with each of those modes lasting centuries if not millennia.
Climate change is going to be unprecedented and how things used to work can't really predict what is going to happen and it's speculative. But I think this is what's going to happen based on my scientific educational background. My economic, sociological knowledge is limited and I could be missing things there. But basically the most important thing is supply chains will fall apart. Countries overly dependent on imported food like uk will fall apart or return to piracy. It's going to be a shit show but countries like China that can isolate and due to their large geography have resources, can maintain a level of civilization. Smaller counties simply can't embrace capitalism because they'll either be farming or cooked because trade is going to decline massively. I mean large parts of the planet (for example India and Pakistan) will simply be uninhabitable. It's not a question of who turns to capitalism or communism. It's who is already there and which is a more effective system to deal with climate change.
It's not a question of who turns to capitalism or communism. It's who is already there and which is a more effective system to deal with climate change.
No, it's still a question of who turns to capitalism or communism, because the systems in place don't exist on the basis of informed consent on the part of the whole population or an even more nebulous mechanism that decides what is "effective," it is based on the degree to which the proletariat is organized as a coherent political force and the extent to which the country is developed such that it can actually support socialism. Neither of those things are the case almost anywhere in the world that isn't already calling itself socialist (and even in some places that are). Your framework, however you intend it, is essentially a depoliticization of the mode of production, which is simply ahistorical.
You've shifted from pure geopolitical wishcasting to environmental collapse posadism.
question of who turns to capitalism or communism
Disagree. The lack of resources means economic de-development. Calling your economic system either capitalist or communist at that point is arbitrary (yes technically they could be categorized but it is of no practical use). The only exception I see are nations like China and Russia that have vast resources that can also defend themselves. And even they will face a decline as they adapt
the systems in place don't exist on the basis of informed consent on the part of the whole population or an even more nebulous mechanism that decides what is "effective," it is based on the degree to which the proletariat is organized as a coherent political force and the extent to which the country is developed such that it can actually support socialism
First this is just a truism. Secon, What's your point because next you say
Neither of those things are the case almost anywhere in the world that isn't already calling itself socialist (and even in some places that are).
Is it that countries won't go socialist? I mean I don't think socialism is going to thrive in the capitalist carcasses of most counties once capitalism fails. It could, you never know but I don't get your point. You aren't making your conclusion clear at all. Like I dunno maybe give your opinion on how things will play out.
You've shifted from pure geopolitical wishcasting
Do you know what wish casting means? Why would anyone want things to play out like this?
And I have no idea what you mean by environmental collapse posadism. I'm sorry to address each point individually but I can't find your overall argument so here we are
This aged like fucking milk left open at room temperature
meanwhile in Amerikkka
The largest time capsule in the world is located in Seward, Nebraska, containing over 5,000 items, one of which is a Chevrolet Vega.
Thousands of letters, pet rocks, artwork, a groovy teal suit and even a yellow Chevy Vega had been preserved inside the capsule
Putting unmodified rocks in a time capsule: cultural messaging that has only been outdone since the Pleistocene.
I know an old geologist, and one of his favorite things to do is to bury certain types of rocks in remote places where they ought not be. Pranking some potential future geologist.
That rules
I'm not ugly crying , you are!😭
Like I'm not depressed already
fuck.
The Israel one destroyed me 😔
Oh fuck…
Sorry
Unfortunately for them, they buried it on Opposite Day
I'm not crying, you are T_T
I ain't reading all 'at, I'm not getting my day worsened. FUCK YOU 
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