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[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 32 points 6 days ago

not to be rude, but i think almost literally everyone commenting in this thread is misinterpreting this use of the word "hot." for a while now, trump has been back on using that in its older slang sense, as in "so hot right now." he talks about the way women look a lot, but this isn't one of those times.

[-] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm actually not convinced it even matters what he really meant — like he's probably still just as wrong both ways

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 12 points 6 days ago

i find it generally useful to at least understand what someone's trying to say when figuring out their intentions. and it's so odd that he's trying to make saying things are "hot" a thing again. like he's saying amerikkka is the hottest country.

[-] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago

trump-yassified: "panting amerikkka"

Folks, we have the hottest Country, the fires are burning very Hot!

I wonder if Trump's getting a little sleepy himself now that he's almost 80

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 10 points 6 days ago

trump is brandonizing at an alarming clip

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 3 points 6 days ago

The weather is so hot right now

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 6 days ago

Not native speaker here but i though saying the word "hot" in this context basically means its a very seeked commodity, as in sells like hot bread, aka very attractive.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

It's very uncommon in modern parlance to use it that way in reference to a person. Not completely unrecognizable or anything, but to the average person it will come off the wrong way unless heavily contextualized.

[-] Euergetes@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago

I don't think those meanings of hot are disentwined as you suggest. Hot (popular) and Hot (sexy) are semantically related and in the context of talking about women a misogynist is definitely referring to how they look, if also to how popular/profitable they are.

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

But we have the context of him talking about other things, such as America itself, being hot, so I think he really does mean it in the popular sense.

[-] Euergetes@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago

zizek-preference Hot sexy and Hot popular are not opposite, in fact they are kissing, sloppy style, squishing boobs together, etc.

"Attractive" is a synonym to both, before we even get into how played out sexuality is in marketing terminology. But I want to emphasize that an old pig like Trump only covets beauty in women, it's impossible to suggest he'd actually not mean it that way with his well established record of misogynistic language and acts

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm not saying Trump's not a terrible misogynist. He has a record of countless things I'd need to put a CW for. That's not what I'm saying.

What I am saying is that we have very explicit context for a contrary interpretation in this case, because him being a terrible misogynist does not logically validate that every single thing he says must have been intended according to the most misogynistic interpretation, in the presence of competing evidence.

ps you said "etc" instead of "and so on"

[-] Euergetes@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

It isn't contrary! I explained it with a meme reference but 'hot off the shelves' and sexy hot are closely related in meaning and overlap significantly. Sexy commercials for products unrelated to sex don't make sense in a context where popularity and marketability is alienated from sexual desires. And Trump is marinated in marketing culture, he lives to make himself and his supporters "hot" in both meanings

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

It was a very accurate representation of Zizek, because it was more oriented toward sounding clever than advancing understanding. Your argument is just not philologically sound, because his intended meaning (whatever cute literary criticism you can offer about freudian slips) still was not about sexual attractiveness but brand value. He wasn't saying people want to fuck Tulsi Gabbard, he wasn't saying people want to fuck America, and he's using the same parlance here.

[-] Euergetes@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

you're so tied up on statements having exclusive meaning, it is not a 'slip', he intentionally links popularity to sexual desire. And yes, he absolutely means people want to fuck Gabbard, himself and his supporters as proxies for 'America'.

you aren't going to appreciate how sexually charged fascist anxieties are if you analyze their language in such a stiff definitional way. He could have chosen different language to arrive at your sterile meanings.

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