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I’m not in those countries, and my country depends on US protection, but I want them to crash land on their face.
Germany has been Europe’s most successful nation on a lot of levels. Having a near death experience and a properly guided rebirth can be a good thing.
The outer values of USA are very admirable, but they were taken over by hostile foreign powers that over decades slowly corrupted courts and the two parties, and now most people are noticing the part of the iceberg above the water.
The US has been self dismantling at least since Bush-9/11 but you could make the case that the JFK assassination was the real moment “the deep state” took over and the President became a puppet for the Military Industrial Complex.
The US was founded on slavery and genocide, and to this day is the world's largest Empire and settler-colony. The US wasn't "taken over" in the last 2 decades, it has consistently either been the most evil country in the world, or one of the most evil countries. The "outer values" are just aesthetics sold to keep the brutal system going.
Well that’s the glass half full version. The slavery and genocide is not a monopoly of the USA though. At some point every major power in existence dabbled their feet into that. I mean it’s happening today. The reality is that lots of people inside and outside the US believe those aesthetics, and that’s a powerful thing to leverage when rebuilding a nation.
The New Nuremberg trials will be able to dispense with the evil for hopefully a few generations, until it inevitably will come back.
The US Empire is the world hegemon. It is the country most responsible for current global plunder and genocide. It is still a settler-colony. The aesthetics don't matter, what matters is that it's an empire and runs on imperialism, and the way beyond it is a destruction of the empire itself and a new socialist state in its place.
No need to argue or downvote brother, we are saying the same thing. I’m just saying your socialist state will be more easily digested if it is presented as a continuation of the “dream”.
Not really, actually. Patriotic Socialism is just a way to justify imperialism, it's a far-right ideology.
I think you just want to win arguments of theoretical concepts.
We both want the USA to self implode. That’s the common ground I’ll remember from this little interaction.
Imperialism never needed justification. It’s imperial. Let me know if you need a hand climbing out of your rabbit hole.
There are genuine PatSoc groups like the MAGACommunists. The idea is to twist leftism into something that retains the US Empire, and a lot of it stems from trying to uplift "American values."
Sorry didn’t see I was on .ml
Not sure what that has to do with anything.