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This type of thing goes through my head constantly. Im kinda surprised trump is even trying to hide epstein given how well just breaking laws and being openly corrupt has been for him/they/them.

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[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago

we're ultimately responsible for the leaders we chose through voting.

politics in most of the western world has become a team sport making people ignore the TRULY fucked up things that our candidates do in order to ensure that their team wins.

also: the people with influence/finances have made sure that we're unaware that there are alternatives to team sport voting; but it's still our own individual responsibility to vote for our leaders and we'll continue to be fucked even more until this realization is forced upon us.

and i suspect it's going to take something catastrophic like climate change, war, serious economic depression, etc. to force us to wake up to this realization.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago

Certainly although many folks did not vote for our current leadership we did not make overriding citizens united as a litmus test and if there was anything to ever have as a litmus test its that.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago

citizens united was only another milestone in a series of milestones that the rich & powerful achieved and they did it with our consent, as i mentioned earlier.

the only litmus tests that ever matter was whether or not you were capable of seeing that "spoiler effect" or "first past the post" or "the electoral college" were bullshit excuses meant to trap us into the team sport mindset.

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Caring about citizens is a litmus test for whether someone is an ignorant liberal or not

Liberals think if it weren't for that, "there wouldn't be money in politics." In the real world, capitalism affords inordinate political and economic authority to the capitalist class, and this is true even if you have really strict rules on direct donations or funding campaigns or whatever.

Liberals have this fucking fantasy in their heads of a pre or post Citizens United world where the rich don't influence politics, but that's what it is, a fucking fantasy. Capitalism is inherently incompatible with actual democracy because the ownership of capital itself is what affords the capitalists political influence. Biggest employer in a town? You have inherent influence. Own the newspaper, TV or radio stations? You have inherent influence.

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