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My hope is that he signs the pardon before she testifies, and then she burns him down on the stand.
As if she would.. She will just do what she do best, just not for Epstein, but for mr president himself, I fear…
Why would he pardon her? Prison is sheer hell and she got a huge upgrade. Fuck around and they can take that back. They got all the leverage they need without the screams of outrage a pardon would bring.
offtopic: Maybe that's why a transparent and safe prison system, a bit like what Norway has, would do well for USA. Don't tell me anything about feeding criminals in luxury, because you are spending far more taxpayer money on far more idiotic things. Also rehabilitation is really a big thing.
Child abusers don't deserve rehabilitation.
It's usually considered smart to avoid hard problems.
Thus to say that every criminal deserves rehabilitation. You won't achieve anything good from taking it from them anyway.
Well we shouldn't be letting them back out so rehabilitation is pointless and impossible anyway. If you can't understand that fucking kids is bad without being institutionalized you're a lost cause
There's plenty of context, the best is that nobody has the moral right to punish others.
No one has a moral right to fuck kids either and they have to be dealt with so they don't fuck more kids. There is no "context" that makes that excusable.
Just how they rehabilitate murderers, other sexual offenders, and who not. People change over time. The part that doesn't change (for pedophiles) is their attraction to children (unless, well, they intentionally do something like chemical castration or whatever), but that's not their crime, the act is their crime. If an examination by mental health specialists and who not deems they won't commit such crimes anymore, there's no reason at all to keep them locked up. Maybe with certain amount of tracking.
Mental health specialists are wrong all the time. Prisoners lie to get out of prison. No amount of risk to children is acceptable, especially for someone who's already proven themselves a danger. There is no benefit to anyone besides the predator letting them back out.
Rehabilitation doesn't have to go as far as letting them back out. There are different kinds of conditions, of ability to communicate with the outside world, to work etc. One might even make special isolated settlements where people live almost as if they were free, but can't escape.
Why bother with all that when it only benefits child molesters? They should be happy with the fact that our justice system is flawed enough that we can't just execute them like they deserve. There are valuable members of society those resources could be directed towards.
I don't think we'll understand each other.
Advocate for people who deserve it if your goal is to be understood.
It's far more harmful to allow people, especially people like you, decide who deserves what. So no, all my points stand.
How exactly do you think these things are decided currently if not by people?
Prison really is not that bad - especially federal prison. It's boring but if you are poor, so is regular life. Don't pay rent, don't pay for health care, get 3 square meals that are about as shitty as shelter food. The gang violence stuff is pretty easy to avoid overall - again, especially in federal prison. State prisons are crappier in most states.
How much prison time have you served in state and federal prisons, if I may ask?
Forgive me for asking, it's just to judge how much direct experience you have with what you're claiming to be knowledgeable on.
There are sadly a lot of people in the Internet who would say such things without ever having actually experienced them firsthand, and it's important we educate ourselves on the difference. Thanks!
I think calling it “hell” is a bit silly. It’s only hell if you are a loud mouth idiot who can’t stop getting into drama. Is being out with a good job better, yes. But TV and the news dramatize it drastically. You basically sit around and read / watch TV most of the time in medium security. I think most people would be surprised how much less terrible it is than it’s hyped to be. If I had to choose prison or being incredibly poor / homeless - I’d choose prison.
Not going to go into to detail as this is a public forum but I have years of experience, yes.
She would not survive that.
Even better
Sure, but she knows it as well, and I doubt she'd risk her life thusly.
Yeah :(
I think shalafi's right though; keeping her in rich comfortable prison is how they're going to control her