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It feel like we’re losing to Google, day by day. They aren’t killing AOSP directly, but they are making it useless step by step.

Now it’s Google Play Services, Play Integrity checks, installation source checks… more and more apps just refuse to run without GMS. Banking apps? Most of them don’t work. And it’s only getting worse. I run vanilla AOSP on my main profile, no Play Services. I keep GMS only in my work profile for the apps that absolutely need it. But now even some regular apps that don't need any play services won’t work on my main profile anymore. They simply block your from running , like le chat.

Maps is google's most important app there is no way to run without play services. Sure we can use webview or gmaps wv, but they don't provide turn-by-turn directions. Earlier maps used to work without play services, but two years ago, an update stopped it from working. Now that old version is out of date and no longer works.

Google is slowly making GMS very important to run. The problem with GMS is they require to run as system app and has to have all the permissions by default.

Hope EU puts pressure to make google allow apps to run independently without GMS or atleast install them as user apps(like graphene os sandboxed play services).

If we keep going on like this, AOSP can only run fdroid apps in the future.

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[-] marcie@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago

GrapheneOs is currently discussing some stuff with OEMs but more help wouldn't hurt I bet.

[-] idriss@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

As per my 30min research, GrapheneOS depends heavily on pixel internals, but I will highjack one of the mastodon posts maybe somebody will spoonfeed me the definitive answer.

I live in a very low cost area, hopefully I will manage to get a nameless phone to run GrapheneOS or LineageOS at low cost, forward most of the income to the open source projects.

It might be too naive but I am giving it a shot.

[-] that_leaflet@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

GrapheneOS is talking to OEMs to create a phone. Up to this point, they’ve only supported Pixels because they’ve had the best security. But with Android 16, Google stopped sharing important files that make it more difficult to continue supporting Pixels. Hence the desire to create their own device.

[-] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

I believe it was also because Pixels were some of the only phones that allow properly relocking the bootloader, but I could be mistaken.

[-] idriss@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you! GrapheneOS isn't an option then, I will wait for their phone.

I guess I could still shoot my shot with LineageOS.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

If you wanted to talk to the Graphene folks the best spot seems to be their matrix rooms rather than masto.

https://matrix.to/#/#general:grapheneos.org

this post was submitted on 14 Aug 2025
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