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No zionism was an supermasist ideology that want to force a state on local population and kick out the local people
Herzl’s Diary, 12 June 1895
Sounds like an elitist; not a supremacist.
It is supermasism
It's a fact that zionists believe that they have more right to the land because their ancestors used to live there 2000 years ago over the local popuation who never left. It's a fact that israel as a zionist state is dominating palestinians. The best example are illegal settlers terrorists are acting violently on palestinians with the idf protection
You're missing the entire point, likely in bad faith. Here's the deal: democracy allows the people to decide their fate. Israel was a project to bring democracy to the middle east. Everything else is a distraction by authoritarian forces across the world. They need it to fail because democracy itself is a threat to their hold on power.
Palestinians should have (in the past at least) worked to be a part of Israel. It was their chance at freedom and they refused to share it with Jews. Now that doesn't matter because fascism rose, Israel fucked up, and now the world must do for the Palestinians what it did for the Jews after the Holocaust.
You are the bad actor. Democracy is internal has nothing to do with the fact that Zionists immigrant forced a state on the local population and did ethnic cleansing in 48. Stop pretending that Zionism was not a supremacist ideology
Nobody is tricked by your disingenuous mention of democracy to deflect and trying to making it about jews vs Arabs.
Arab suggested a one state solution with equal rights to everybody, Israel never did . A one state where west bankers and Gazan become citizens on Israel would go against the fundamental of Zionism which is a Jewish state
Who were ruled by whom?
Zionists being emigrants is a fact through, palestinian being the local population is a fact. Don't conflate zionists with jews in general, i know there always was some jews who never left the land, doesn't make thr europeen zionists having right to force the state on thrm
Don't conflate "local population" with "free people," which they could have been had they the foresight to work through the shitty situation. They would be Jordanians today. Idk much about modern Jordan because it's not a democracy and doesn't have a free press. It has a king. A ruler. An authoritarian. Meanwhile Arabs inside Israel have representation and are working up and out of the apartheid that very much is real and problematic. You'd have to go to Jordan to ask the local population if they would prefer democracy over their king.
I won't let you deflect. Palestinians are local population, Zionists immigrants came to the land and said you have you give us part of your land so we can build a state majoritarily for us. How don't you realize how ridiculous this is ?
You keep talking about democracy while Israel has normalized relation with many autocratic countries. The Jordan you criticize are intercepting missiles for Israel have some self respect and stop being ungrateful
Of course they emigrated. And they purchased the land. You think Herzl is all Jews. You're antisemitic.
Are you aware that Arabs also thought the same of Jews? You'll find that almost all parties in the region share the same views and hatred.
No they didn't and stop deflecting we are talking about zionism right now
They most certainly did.
He has little influence, he is insignificant most arabs sided with the allies and fought nazi germany including volunteering18k palestinians. Now back to the topic why don't you admit that zionism was always about stesling local people land by herzl admission?
Herzl had little influence
Lmao! They really tried to sneak in "Hitler had little influence"
Lol he is the creator of modern zionism. What about former israeli prime ministers, will you also tell me they are also insignificant?
Oh, you just said that the Grand Mufti, Amin al-Husseini, has little influence and is insignificant, so I'm just doing the same until you admit fault.
Ben Gurion has little influence and is insignificant.
Why are you still denying that modern zionism was a supermasist based on herzl admission.
Husseni asked arabs to support hitler so If he had that much influence most arabs would have sided with the axis but no they was with the allies
Do you think some Arabs sided with the Axis and Nazi Germany?
A minority while zionists imigrants plan was always to force a state on local population. There was a lot of opposition from jews about zionism and still are