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beautiful. fuck secureboot.
Why?
Im fairly certain any legacy hardware that doesn't have secure boot as an option is going to struggle loading BF6 regardless.
The first two points are not related to secure boot at all.
you think loading my own kernel modules is not related to secure boot? i guess you don't work in IT then.
It doesn't matter which kernel modules are used, as long as you have signed those changes before rebooting.
You can't install most linux distributions with secure boot enabled.
This is outdated information. Linux has supported secure boot for quite a while now.
And Microsoft is shutting out most third parties in the near future because of Crowdstrike, so Linux likely won't be supporting Secure Boot in the future, even if someone did want to enable it for some odd reason.
Microsoft can't stop you from signing images with your own keys.
That's what I do, and it's almost entirely automated on Linux these days.
Do you have any advice for someone that dual boots SteamOS and Windows 10 on a Steam Deck?
I've heard online that since SteamOS manually signs keys or something, that if any changes happen to the kernel that later need to be updated by SteamOS, I'd need to re-sign the keys or whatever. Idk I'm not well versed in any of this
I've heard it's as easy as downloading the M$ keys to enable Secure Boot, but I also don't want to brick my Deck.
Windows 10 support is ending soon so there’s no reason to have it on your steam deck. Steam will stop supporting it sooner after Microsoft does, just like steam does with Apples operating system.
Windows 10 commercial is ending, not the LTSC versions. Those are good for another 2-7 years iirc
No, they are killing it unless you pay and extra $30 a month and use a Microsoft account and kill local accounts.
Source?
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-no-longer-permits-local-windows-10-accounts-if-you-want-consumer-extended-security-updates-support-beyond-eol-requires-a-microsoft-account-link-up-even-if-you-pay-usd30
That's for commercial releases of Windows 10 dumbass. There are two other enterprise releases that will have free security updates for 2-7 more years.
Which is again proving my point. Steam is selling games to people with enterprise licenses.
Really? Which would those be? So far I haven't come upon one.
(1) Yeah, well the secure boot keys needed for Linux distributions expire in September (https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/cyber-security/microsoft-signing-key-required-for-secure-boot-uefi-bootloader-expires-in-september-which-could-be-problematic-for-linux-users), so that seems like a sustainable solution, sure buddy.
(3) What's your income? What region of the world do you live in and what hardware is available to you? I'm still using an am4 platform PC as my daily driver because I can't burn money. One of my buddies has an AM3 PC. Many people use modified surplus office PCs (especially in developing nations like South America or SEA), which don't have secure boot as an option. Check your privilege, and maybe donate some of your spare hardware to those who need it, if you want to make this "a non issue" for everyone.
(4) Yeah. I own my hardware, I configure my software. I gut Windows like a fish and keep it on a leash for these games, and use Linux for my work and for the games that respect the ecosystem.
Edit: these are listed as 1,3,and 4 in my post in voyager but lemmy shows 123. Interesting.
On the list thing, it seems that adding numbers with periods in a list seems to auto configure it to ascending numbers. That's why I used (1) (3) (4). Weird, but I guess that's the work around.
Enrolling your keys doesn't work btw, because battlefield checks which keys you enroll, only accepting the default MS keys. Also on the hardware front, it is a big problem for gamers on a sub-300 USD budget these days - the best deals are on legacy hardware or surplus office equipment, mainly AM3-AM4 era.
The number list is how markdown works. You can enter all 1's and it will automatically create ordered list.
Handy when you may need to edit list items, as you dont need to renumber even in plain text.
Markdown spec should allow for explicit number by using a bracket ')' instead of a dot, but it may not work everywhere.
Let's give it a go
Hmm not quite what that should look like
I don't think he needs a winning argument. I think EA needs to justify this kernel level AC, not the other way around.
Needlessly intrusive. Can obviously be circumvented by cheaters anyway, so quite possibly superfluous. Apart from that it protects against the kinds of attacks that typically require physical access to the computer. If you have physical access you have full access anyway. Etc.
You know secure boot was specifically made to protect users for this exact use case. Any tampering of the system will prevent the system from booting.
A person with physical access can tamper with the OS, then tamper with the signing keys. Most secure boot systems allow you to install keys.
Secure boot can't detect a USB keylogger. Nothing can.
I get your pc, "tamper" it, then i install a fake bios that tells you all is well and that your tpm and secureboot and whatever else bullcrap they invent is still happy.
See the problem?
It won't boot though, because the keys to decrypt the system are stored in the TPM.
Sure you could replace the whole OS, but that's going to be very obvious and won't allow you access to the data.
If you have physical access you could go into the bios and turn off secure boot
If you enable Secure Boot you should also set a BIOS password for this very reason.
I think you can reset a bios password by taking the CMOS battery out or something?
Not sure if this works these days, but on older systems there was a reset bios config jumper and pulling the cmos battery.
So, if you set a bios password either way, which benefit does secureboot give?
No, encrypt your drives.
It fucks with Linux. I literally just disabled it to resolve a driver install issue before this announcement was made.
Secureboot doesn't "fuck with Linux". It does protect you from malware trying to install unsigned kernel modules.
Apparently that driver is unsigned, which is not the normal case nowadays.
Good to know, thanks
I was trying to install an Nvidia driver on Linux Mint, so I think I am safe.