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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I am still baffled that anyone thinks that Kernel AC is any kind of effective at stopping hacks, people have been literally making a living off of defeating it, and selling those hacks / methods for almost a decade now...

But nope, still got hordes of idiot gamers who think they work, think they're necessary, think they can't be spoofed.

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[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

I love the Battlefield series but I'm not turning on Secure Boot for them. If it remains a hard requirement, I'll simply be passing altogether.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

I was able to get around secure boot by installing the beta on my PS5. From then, I had the pleasure of being unable to enter due to broken menus! Can’t complain for having spent nothing and having little trust in the franchise.

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[-] brezel@piefed.social 20 points 8 months ago

beautiful. fuck secureboot.

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago
[-] brezel@piefed.social 40 points 8 months ago
  • some people run more than 1 OS
  • some people actually program and need to load unsigned shit all the time
  • some people have legacy hardware that doesn't run with secureboot
  • it is my decision and my decision alone how i boot my operating systems. not EA's.
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[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Needlessly intrusive. Can obviously be circumvented by cheaters anyway, so quite possibly superfluous. Apart from that it protects against the kinds of attacks that typically require physical access to the computer. If you have physical access you have full access anyway. Etc.

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[-] SoupBrick@pawb.social 2 points 8 months ago

It fucks with Linux. I literally just disabled it to resolve a driver install issue before this announcement was made.

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[-] PushButton@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

So you got the spyware without the benefits, that's a hell of a surprise isn't it?

But thank you for your money suckers!

[-] renrenPDX@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

I only found out about this today from someone whose computer got bricked from trying to enable secure boot.

[-] Narwhalrus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

My machine went into a boot loop and I had to clear CMOS to boot again.

I wonder how many people without the resources to fix a problem like that easily are going to end up without computers for an extended period of time because of this.

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[-] shiroininja@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

So I can’t play battlefield without TPM? I hate tech these days. My Ryzen board doesnt have it. Hence why I’m not on windows 11

[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

I just refuse to enable it. It makes changing things a hassle.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Same. Keeps things simple with Linux, and Windows doesn't even complain about it being disabled, so long as it's present. I'll never understand why it's even required if you don't even have to enable it.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 6 points 8 months ago

So they can have an excuse to force you to upgrade to Windows 11 beyond "whoops, turns out making an operating system as a 'buy once' product is a bad idea."

[-] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 2 points 8 months ago

Might be a requirement in some companies for security reasons...?

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[-] poolhelmetinstrument@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

This is where we need dedicated servers and self moderation

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago

Yep.

Things were better when private servers had actual mods and admins, they acted more like pubs where you could go see the regulars, actually form a community.

[-] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is where we need dedicated servers and self moderation

My knowledge towards battlefield games ends at BF4 but I’m pretty sure people pay to host custom servers, EA refuses to open source it and only supply a handful of third parties with the actual code for them to charge hosting fees.

I’m sure there is an NDA involved.

[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Your anti-cheat doesn't work anyway so let me play in linux you cowards.

[-] Defaced@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Anyone with half a brain could see this coming from a mile away. My conspiracy brain almost thinks this is some concerted and calculated effort by Microsoft to artificially lock games to Windows through anti cheat. It's disgusting, isn't needed, and just plain isn't effective. They can spew all the metrics out of their ass, we all know that it's just not effective.

[-] wizzim@infosec.pub 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I am not sure about this conspiracy theory of yours: Microsoft does not want third party applications in the kernel space anymore.

https://www.theverge.com/news/692637/microsoft-windows-kernel-antivirus-changes

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Pretty much the same as all the other modern BFs. They all had cheats in the Beta/early release versions. I’ve played and own literally every BF game since the original release of 1942. Cheats have always been present more or less.

[-] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago

Having Anti-Cheat of any kind outside of the game is laziness or lack of resources.

I believe just have physical limitations of the character or objects and verify the movement every once in a while to make sure that their movement is not super human (ie, aim bots).

You don't need a kernal level anti-cheat.

[-] warm@kbin.earth 7 points 8 months ago

The best thing is back when Battlefield was Battlefield, it would self-regulate because most people played on self-hosted servers, so cheaters and bad actors were taken care of swiftly. But now they want their own control to put shitty bots and SBMM in the game, so here we are.

This whole game is a case of the devs making bad decisions and then instead of changing them decisions, they apply the quickest bandaid fixes they can.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Kernel anti-cheat does absolutely nothing to prevent aimbots/triggerbots, as most are run using 2 separate machines, anyway. The first machine runs the game in a totally clean and legitimate environment, but sends its video output (either using standard streaming tools like OBS or by using special hardware) to the 2nd machine. The 2nd machine runs the cheat and processes the video to detect where to aim and/or when to shoot, and sends mouse input back to the 1st machine.

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[-] CtrlAltDyeet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago

And yet they have the audacity to block Linux players

[-] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 2 points 8 months ago

Server side anticheats need to be considered. Clientside has been annoying users far too much, and can be bypassed. A combination of both (and I’d like a less intrusive clientside one) would be better

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