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Any number of deaths is worth the fantasy, apparently
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My favorite part is this is exactly what the dems are doing with Trump, their startegy since the beginning was not to stop Trump and just wait for him to ruin the country enough that people vote for them again. They were saying as much earlier in the year too. Hilarious to see how they called all their detractors accelerationist before deciding to join in.
Stupidity knows no ideological borders, it would seem
no? literally no leftists side with maga (except for maga communism, but that's fringe).
You're not reading the extremely simple comic very well, then.
Dems worked against Trumps opponents in 2015 in the hopes that the electorate would see how bad Trump is and deliver an easy Dem win. It didn't work like that.
Leftists have been quite openly on here salivating over how working against Kamala and delivering Trump, and Trump being nakedly bad will lead to either the American people or the world as a whole seeing just how bad neoliberalism is, and deliver the long-awaited Revolution(tm). That's just as fucking stupid.
Any examples? besides some people who don't want to vote dem?
Besides, the democrats are the neoliberal party. Trump is closer to fascism.
From this very comment section:
"There is no lesser evil, the only reason you're upset is because it's naked now, and that's implicitly a good thing because it will lead to something other than the status quo"
Or, as I put it:
Bonus, also from this comment section:
A great many people here on Lemmy will say there's no effective difference between neoliberalism and fascism.
Are you talking about pre election? Of course you can do something about Trump by not electing him. After Trump won, there’s nothing left to do except let him show everybody why it was a bad idea.
"Let the fascist burn down society unopposed" is not exactly a fucking recipe for anything except empowering fascism.
People don't touch the hot stove and learn their fucking lesson. People touch the hot stove and blame the liberals for burning them.
There is no effective opposition plan to fascism that involves ceding uncontested control to fascists
When I hear comments like this, I think that in your eyes democracy is optional when you have somebody like Trump in office. He’s clearly a fascist, so democrats need to arrest him and put a democrat in charge.
If you belong to a party that values democracy, you need to recognize that the fascist is an elected officials and do what you can legally do to maintain control and make sure the voters know who is to blame.
Cool, so there's an ethnic cleansing going on. When it becomes full on genocide, do we still just shrug and respect democracy?
They're currently attempting to rig elections and taking bribes, all out in the open. Trump attempted a coup, and managed to get back into office. They've pushed the unitary executive theory into practice, they're ignoring both the courts and Congress when it suits them.
The rule of law is dead. No amount of following the rules will fix that. Our democracy has been hacked. The checks and balances have failed. Things will not go back to how they were.
There is only fascism until everything collapses, or progressives take hold of power and do reconstruction.
If you want to live in a democracy, respecting the will of people who don't want democracy is not an option
So what are you actually suggesting we do, then? Take up arms and start a civil war against the nuclear powered government?
Let me hear some actual solutions. All I’ve heard so far is [very legitimate] complaints and fantasies where individuals are able to magically remove fascists from power.
We resist, and we take back power and give it to people who will use it.
We need to take every seat. From district school boards to US senators, every seat that comes up needs to go to someone who will fight.
And I really mean fight - everything from gerrymandering California to ordering police to arrest federal agents invading our cities. But smaller and more personal things too
If you're so much as in charge of a book club, I want you to abuse that tiny amount of power to bully any open MAGA people
These people are trying to kill us and destroy our country. They don't want democracy, they want to take away our votes and our freedom.
Their voices don't matter, they need to be shamed and attacked until they can't make eye contact. They should be made to realize they aren't entitled to opinions.
No, there's no glorious revolution coming. Just a period of fascism before the collapse of an empire. We are just fucked
But that doesn't mean we can't make a difference. Things can get better locally, we can drive the Fascists back and save a lot of people. We can slow them down until we can take back power.
We can start working on the cultural norms that will drive fascism underground for another century.
So if you want to make things better, fuck the rules. Things never would have gotten this far if we were more punk rock. We need to learn to be punk rock.
Hmm, I 100% agree, but I just want to point out that this is not incompatible with “respecting democracy”.