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Blahaj admin defending a blatant transphobe
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I wish I could speak to another trans femme without them bringing up and gushing over fucking contrapoints, philosophy tube or some other
breadtuber.
That instance feels like it's full of those types who talk down to you about their paper thin understanding of politics and social justice because "CONTRAPOINTS SAID SO!" or fucking Philosophy Tube ergghhhhhhh
and if you have a take left of starmer they scream authoritarian.
Gunna go in for a hard read now on blahaj.zone so bare with me.
BEING A MINORITY DOESN'T MAKE YOU A DECENT PERSON OR MAKE YOU MAGICALLY UNDERSTAND SOCIAL JUSTICE. LOG OFF AND READ A BOOK!
I don't hate philosophy tube etc to be clear, I just find their videos to be self indulgent slop and her fan base to consistently be insufferable privileged and chauvinistic liberal white trans femmes that usually speak for others (themselves, they ignore anyone else trans) and are kinda problematic vs recognising there's a thousands more of us who don't earn dollar doing software dev and that our needs and material conditions are just as important as their own.
More neurodivergent queer CIA ghouls does not a liberated society make.
Neurotypical under capitalism just means passive wage slave.
Western psychology try not to undermine it's own field of study by ignoring capitalisms impact on people's mental health challenge: impossible
I mean, Freud's greatest intervention was recognizing that "normative" is constructed and contingent on social norms (his "primitive society" being so depraved especially helps us see it). Even though dude was entirely wrong about everything biological, etc, you'd think the field would recognize what he got right and build on it, instead of, ironically, repressing its greatest potential.
Yeah I remember learning about some of his theories and everyone saying he was a complete hack but as you say, he got stuff right, it's just the stuff he got right undermines our current system so is ignored and the stuff he got wrong overshadows it OR props up the status quo and people cherry pick it.
i think the problem with freud is that, outside of some lit studies, he isn't really approached from a sociocultural perspective anymore. all of his most prominent theories, at least in pop culture, has been tossed into this grotesque wellness machine where they're at best treated as tools to achieve personal happiness, and at worst used to erase the web of social relations and material conditions that forms an individual
Omg wellness training noooooo don't bring it up it burns ๐ซ
As a trans person stuck in a highly transmed, gatekeepy and pathologizing healthcare system, i've been through my share of psychotherapists (not really, i will have to go through at least two more ffs) and Freudians are the fucking worst. I mean, that's not entirely correct, Jungians appear to be the same but nazi and i'm glad i never had a run-in with one of those freaks, but jfc do Freudians make my skin crawl. And when i ask around in local trans groups, hey, what's your experience with this and that guy, yeah, the psychoanalytically oriented ones aren't the ones any of us trust.
I get it, he's got some nice ideas when he's not doing his straight ass pulls and blatant mysogyny, he's also an excellent prose writer and the charm of his Vienesse German even carries over into the English translations, i can give him credit for a lot of things. A lot of things outside of psychology. Yes, he was right about the constructedness of social norms, but you do not need Freud for that, any psychologist with the tiniest bit of background in leftist acedemia understands that part already, it's been kind of at the center of all humanities for the last decades. Psychology doesn't need more Freud, it needs more intersectional anticapitalism to understand that some people just have entirely different experiences than those within the normative framework that defines the illusion of normalcy in our system. And i know a psychologist who does that, and she's got nothing to do with Freud, she just does the usual evidence-based cognitive behavorial therapy slop, but she's read enough feminist theory and queer theory and anti-racist theory to understand where her biases lie and how to treat people correctly when their very existence is at odds with how society is "supposed" to work, and i've never seen anything like that from a Freudian, even though there's ofc Freudian leftists. But even those appear to be permanently stuck with overvaluing and centering the experience and the intellectual idiosyncrasies of a single cishet dude that are just super fucking misleading about how the human mind works, that perpetuate a very lopsided and hierarchical doctor-patient relation and that mostly work on making the wildest assumptions about your patients and always one-upping and controlling them.
My special interest is bombing brown people
When they get older they'll be heartless tankies don't worry
They fucking better be ๐ค I'll be disappointed otherwise and upsetting me is a crime.
i feel like its generally the case. the longer youve been on hrt the more likely you are to be hard left. mostly because the longer the time youve been acting on being trans, the longer society has had to discriminate against you in some egregious way.
I canโt agree with this at all, as an ethnic minority I have seen way too many reactionaries among those who have been oppressed their entire lives.
Being a minority and having direct experience of discrimination do increase oneโs revolutionary potential, but class also plays a substantial role (Iโd argue an even larger one just from personal experience) as well as the ideological superstructures being imposed upon us.
Ultimately there are a lot of collaborationists across every segment of minorities, both within the imperial core and in the global south.
racism and trans stuff are similar in some ways but different in others, i think its not really right to equate them, very different experiences. the basic rub of it is there is a nonstop media campaign targeting trans people with blatant lies, the history of our community is largely embedded in socialist movements in america, there are inherent medical costs to most transitions, there are inherent painful and traumatizing sensations that you can open yourself to if you seek surgery, a possibility of familial ostracization, there is often a whiplash where you go from not being discriminated to discriminated (or vice versa, or discriminated on a new and different basis), and of course its likely that people have been physically and emotionally aggressive with you no matter what community youre in.
and then there are discriminatory acts in healthcare and so on, but these forms of discrimination can manifest in different and similar ways for poc, so a little complex there.
its still my experience that the vast majority of trans people are socialist and people become more active with socialist orgs the longer theyve been transitioned. i also think the fact that our community spans multiple ethnicities also has a factor in this rate of socialism, we all experience similar pains and have many things that unify us. and of course there are some shitty trans people out there, not saying there arent, but i feel like people are greatly overstating how many people are shitty in this thread.
I remember when I was still relatively fresh in my transition being introduced to another trans woman back in like the early 2010s and had been "out" for a few years but had only still recently gone full time, didn't even have my name change done because I didn't have the ~400 dollars to make it happen and I was so taken aback that she said outright "oh I'm a communist." Was a bit of a major moment for me. I had a lot of seeds planted over the years between Occupy and just the financial crash but was still very much a lib. As time went on and suddenly the word socialism became less toxic it was a relatively quick shift to make, suddenly all those seeds ended up sprouting and it all just clicked together finally. Having more lived experience as trans and having come across a few people online and IRL that helped demystify it all really did help and I think that's also a relatively big portion of it. We're pushed towards the contradictions with our lived experiences while a solid portion of the community is already there able to explain the contradictions and demystify leftism.
I also remember early on despising the trans community because the communities I ended up finding were full of trans-medicalists and boomers with all the liberal trappings to be had. Completely exiled myself from trans discussions and attempted to never even mention it in any contexts. Finding /r/traaa was an opportunity to actually see more of the trans community and be happy with being trans and ended up kinda just being fine with being visibly trans, though it still sucks that people are shit. I do think the communities we build and the attitudes we allow are just as important as the lived experiences lest you have libs come in and try to paint it over leaving you wanting to just disconnect entirely because their answers suck.
lmao was it me?
yeah i remember thinking similar, but you should also take some of the stuff on reddit with a grain of salt, liberals trawl trans subreddits and upvote liberal trans people and downvote socialists regularly. really amplifies what is really a minority opinion among the larger trans community. you can tell by how many comments have a socialist bent but all the upvotes go to the one liberal opinion
I hope you are correct but my
side can't ignore the sheer amount of dickheads I've met and felt they were a lost cause which I try not to do as that feels scummy.
I think I'm just in my sad tankie phase when it comes to class consciousness and my own communities politics atm irl (anyway)
gotta remember that generally people tune out of trans spaces the longer theyve been on hrt. so a lot of trans communities are new transitioners and the long-transitioned and few 'moms, dads, and vague parental figures' that guide them to resources and pool the knowledge.
I'm still only a year in so would you say I'm in my leaving the nest phase?
still young, id say 4-5ish years on is when most people begin to radicalize a lot. though most are some sort of socialist anyways, they just become more serious about it
I think for me what I found difficult was that you could tell who was progressive/leftist/social justice advocate pre transition and who offers it lip service post transition when it benefits their specific personal needs but defends the status quo still and I found myself unable to tolerate the second group.
As someone who would be categorised as the first group (I hope) I tried to educate and engage but after getting dogpilled by lib rage, ostracised for being a tankie, seeing the shittest takes time and time again and watching these people destroying groups that would benefit trans people irl I grew exhausted and left.
I think I mentioned it in one of my first comments on here which is why after seeing that same energy in blahaj.zone i came here.
That feeling of frustration and powerlessness even around your own peeps just feels so isolating.
yeah i remember one time where a girl came in and thanked me a lot, saying i changed her life by helping her with her meds and stuff and gave me a big hug. and then some time later she flew into a fit of rage and said she'd never come back to the lgbt center after learning i was a communist, and she never did. i was very bewildered at that. i did go out of the way and even got her an uber to her first HRT appointment and helped her schedule it, which is no big deal for me but i know its a big deal for a lot of people who are anxious to start HRT. she claims she was a socialist. sometimes wonder what shes up to ๐ค strange what propaganda can cook up in people's heads.
The anti-communism of the western left is at critical mass these days ๐ฎโ๐จ
it was a strange conversation. i kinda mentioned it offhand to someone (sometimes people say, wow youre so generous! when i offer to help them with something and i just shrug and say im a commie) and i guess they mentioned it to her. she then began asking me stuff about xinjiang very angrily and i just said that im not really here to get into debates with people, im just the trans resource lady and want to help out. then she stormed off as i said.
I used to get called Wolfie pre-transition because of the character from Citizen Smith ๐
I just quipped that I was too young to understand their boomer references.
Libs and their "comedy". Jokes on them I've reclaimed it now
We can only hope she realises that a Liberal system had her coming to a local community group for help in being her literal fucking self and that the "commie red fash tankie" lady was the person who helped her and paid for her to go to her appointment. Not the libs, not the soc dems but a based commie lady
In my experience this depends on stealth vs not-stealth. The stealth people wanting to blend and capable of it tend to deradicalise because they can fit into existing society, those that can not tend to hyper-radicalise because they need society to change for them.
maybe. i pass and i gotta tell you im never forgetting how people treated me in vulnerable moments
also there are plenty of times where im forced to out myself, particularly when dealing with insurance and medical, and i pretty much always get a sour and many times visceral reception because people feel 'tricked'. i had a nurse very unprofessionally yell 'WHAT' at the top of her lungs when i was explaining i was trans and my basic medical history
I'm in a similar place currently, kinda, maybe, not really, i dunno.
I've had trans friends literally project their self hatred onto me because they resent that I "pass" (like i fucking do) and tell me bogus shit like I can't get oestrogen because of x and y which lead me to sob to my doctor in a place of genuine suicidal intent because of what I'd been led to believe.
Lmao turns out it was bollocks what they said and here I am a year later happy af.
Problem is i'm still riddled with a lot of the misogynistic self hatred that my ex friend filled my head with like this feature is too masculine etc. I know she was wrong and why its all wrong but a year of shit like that and comments like "well you're lucky your short unlike the rest of us" has made me feel super isolated and kinda low Key assimilatey when I'm around cis people.
Like I'm loud and proud and always ready to defend my community but if I'm genuinely passing I can't help but enjoy it and soak it up like its validating the broken part of my self confidence issues or something.
I dunno, I still hear her voice in my head when I hate my reflection because I hyper focus on the things she did and its so hard so when I do pass I do stealth it and really enjoy it.
Does that make me a bad trans person?
Either way i wouldn't ever defend assimilators and resent the idea that I would be one but at the same time I enjoy not having to be trans and that leaves me feeling kinda guilty.
There are entirely too many fascists trans people for me to accept this argument.
fascist trans people are an extreme minority. ive only met 1 irl and we booted them from our local org, what was strange is they were also a finnish immigrant. ive interacted with 1000+ trans people in a fairly large city at this point. something around 90% are socialist, but most are not acting on that and are unorganized. i run an informal survey on a lot of things so we know how to help people more at our trans resources booth.
Oh no I'm not saying they're anything but a minority. But they exist, and there's too many of them. (Although tbh 1 would be too many in a general sense)
it is pretty weird. the only reason we caught on that she was fascist is she started harping on jewish people after someone mentioned they were jewish
Do Nazis not realize how bizarre blatant antisemitism is to most people?
Flash that you've read Das Kapital and a quick wink wink nod nod to appease the libs and you've immediately captured the entirety of the "actual left" in the west ๐ฎโ๐จ
Meanwhile the REAL left are on here posting PPB ๐
I always thought Philosophy Tube was just hiding her power level for a lib audience.
She's so based and down to earth anon!!! You're just salty because you aren't rich!!
literally acts like a fucking MP
Fr tho I think she de-fangs a lot of revolutionary potential in her fanbase by giving them a comfy lib adjacent take for them to cling to. I get it, I just don't like it.