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[-] Owl@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago

Hexbear has some anarchists but more MLs. The mods delete more blatant sectarianism, but it's not always perfect.

The main point of friction always ends up being US foreign policy. MLs see you criticizing a socialist state like China and think you're an anti, when of course it's still evil because all states are evil. But on the other hand, we're having this conversation in English. The biggest influence we'd have on Chinese politics from over here would be to convince other English speakers to support anti-China foreign policy in their own governments. That's state intervention, not anarchism.

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago

Yeah, thats fair. The biggest thought trap I see people going in to is "the enemy of my enemy". As I see it, capital impiaralism must be dismantled, and countered, but state capitalism with socialist characteristics doesn't look like an ultimately fruitful path for enhanced liberty, so I think its important to be critical but not dismissive. I haven't found that to be a minority stance amongst anarchsts. Ultimately, the idea of "foriegn policy" itself is statist and true solidarity means standing up for everyone regardless of who the oppressor is.

[-] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, I'm a pretty hard ML-type (the marx-hi reader) and I want to work towards a hegelian end of the state. I think the primary difference is that I see a tactical use of the state in that process. Honestly, until US imperialism and the broader capitalist structures are thrown down, I don't see much point in arguing with anarchist comrades who agree with me on nearly all the meaningful diagnoses of society's problems. It's entirely a tactics/future oriented disagreement, which we can have without fucking purging each other and generally come away (ideally) both better for it.

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[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 year ago

Idk your fancy oversized hexbear emotes, but please imagine I have selected a few choice ones to signal my agreement

we fight with tools, and sometimes those tools were built by the state.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I used to be the ML "all anarkiddies are useful idiots who only ever aid the state by being too stupid to recognise manufactured consent and propaganda" type of gal for my sins so I don't blame the distrust.

I've since grown up lmao and a big part of that was realising that most professed anarchists on twitter having shit takes are just LIB wankers who want to feel cool and left wing to avoid being called out for their racism and think anarchism is the perfect veneer.

Meeting actually based well read anarchists irl at community orgs made me realise I was being that ML trope of arrogant snob.

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My least favorite is the feudalisn-with-extra-markets crowd who keep doing a fascist recuperation on anarchism. They ruined "libertarian" and now they keep trying to make "anarcho-capitalist" a thing, as if political compass was a real and healthy thing

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

The political compass was a disaster for humankind sadness

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