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Is anyone else finding this story a little strange? Not someone finally shooting fake-ICE people. But:
Fake-ICE is wearing bulletproof vests and shoots at the homeowner through the door. The homeowner isn't injured. Fine.
The homeowner returns fire, through the door, hits and kills the two guys wearing bulletproof vests. Doesn't that strike anyone else as odd? Both dead, neither injured, despite bulletproof vests, despite being shot through a door?
Not really. A bulletproof vest won't protect your head. Meanwhile they're standing directly on the other side of a door that they're shooting through, while the home owner could have been anywhere on the other side of the door. They're playing a guessing game, but the homeowner can just shoot the door at head-height and their bulletproof vests will mean nothing.
Vests cover vital organs, but there's a lot of other places you can be shot and killed.
Bulletproof vests are also only rated for certain calibers too, mostly of what you'd think of as a bulletproof vest will only stop pistol calibers. Sure, you can get stuff that'll stop rifle shots, but then you're looking at wearing multiple 5-10 lb metal plates and spending quite a bit of money to get them.
And they'll only stop a number of rifle shots, typically intermediate caliber. Once you're dealing with an opposing force using .338 lapua, you might be better off adopting the gecko45 school of duct taping plates together and using your spouse as a human shield as you make your way to your fighting weapon.
There's different types of vest, and they're rated to stop different types of bullet.
If these guys are just pretending to be cops, they may well have just grabbed the cheapest vests they could find that looked convincing.
And a rifle round could have just punched straight on through a vest only rated for pistol rounds.
Also most vests don't cover the neck or sides of the body. Or the big arteries in the legs.
Also the vests could have been fake.
Honestly, if their goal was to imitate the appearance of cops, that seems likely. I imagine full kevlar is pretty expensive.
A bulletproof vest reduces harm, not negate it. Also, vests come in a variety of grades. As can one expect, the heavier and more expensive ones offer more protection, but those can still fail. Vests, like most insurance, only offers so much coverage from disaster.
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How many vests cover the face? You can also shrapnel their groin area, and they bleed out before any ambulance will be there.
One of the reasons why I picked a shotgun and use 000 buckshot is because of the spread. I assume my aim sucks, and hope that hitting the bad guys in a unarmored limb will be enough to remove them from a fight.
It’s got a good spread.
Look, I wanna scare the fucker off, not redo drywall.
Any recommendations?
I'm staunchly antigun.... most of the time. In this case, with Dumpy mcdementiapants leading the way, arm the fuck up. I have no recommendations. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
If you talking shotguns, I am an amateur, so use a hefty block of salt: I have a VR80. It is a semi-auto that uses magazines, which should make it better for military situations. My guess is that if civil war breaks out, both sides will initially be recruiting troops with whatever kit they happen to have - formal outfitting by Blue States would depend on where and when you are, so it would be better to bring a gun that is fit for combat in the first place. If you live in California or other restrictive states, you remove a pin and split the gun in half, allowing the mag release to operate. Apparently a small piece of the tool can be removed to permanently enable the mag button.
The VR80 will take a good number of rounds fired before it starts to loosen up. Jamming is an issue during the break-in, but that is fine if you are practicing. This weapon in particular prefers more powerful rounds, and is designed to be ambidextrous, along with being AR-15 style for addons. If you can, ditch the stock - it doesn't telescope, and feels awkward to me.
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Yeah, practice at the range until your aim doesn't suck.
There's also the option where the vest stops it but you have a crushed sternum
Also if you're using magnum slugs then God help you...
I mean you got to remember a bulletproof vest is still you know, a vest. Plenty of places you can killed that aren't on your chest.
Who said it was a solid door? Could be a screen door or a door with a window pane.
Occam's razor the problem instead of looking for a conspiratorial or nefarious solution when there's no reason to.
Bulletproof vests don’t cover headshots.
200% damage multiplier.
BOOM! Headshot!
Homeowner probably has a peep hole, in addition to the ring camera giving him locational knowledge of where the purps were outside the door. They could only guess where he was.
Doesnt seem odd at all. Maybe he had a rifle or a combat shotgun and they had pistols. Or maybe he found cover and they didnt.