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The homeowner told police the two men said they were police and claimed they were at the home to serve a warrant.

[The homeowner] became suspicious, because, you know, they have a ring camera too, and the suspects were saying they had a warrant, but it was just two people and they're masked up and no police cars, no lights or anything like that," said Lt. Khan with HPD.

At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire.

The homeowner was not hurt in the gunfire, but the two men were both hit and pronounced dead at the scene.

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[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 135 points 8 months ago

Schrödinger’s cop. Every masked creep with a power complex is simultaneously a dangerous criminal you should shoot on sight for your own protection and a police officer with qualified immunity. The waveform collapses when you get tried for murder, if you win it was a criminal all along, but if you get the electric chair it was a cop.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 21 points 8 months ago
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[-] chilldrivenspade@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

lol this is so good

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[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 134 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I was surprised that the masked men weren't law enforcement. Police hiding their faces because fascism is just standard procedure under President Epstein.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 73 points 8 months ago

Police said if you're ever unsure whether it is really the police outside your door, there are some signs to look for.

"Obviously, a police car with some sort of lights and sirens and a bullhorn where we'll be announcing ourselves," HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi.

Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

An interesting development

[-] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 54 points 8 months ago

I love that I read your comment, then backed out to the main feed and the very next post is of a pig wearing what is effectively a ski mask

[-] logicbomb@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago

Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

the very next post is of a pig wearing what is effectively a ski mask

The logical conclusion is that that is not a real officer.

[-] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 8 months ago

Then somebody should be arresting them for impersonating an officer.

That's what happened, right?

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[-] bajabound@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

It's an easy mistake - good guys wear balaclavas, criminals wear ski masks. Kind of like how the bad guy used to wear a black hat. /s

[-] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 26 points 8 months ago

“Obviously, a police car with some sort of lights and sirens and a bullhorn where we’ll be announcing ourselves,”

They always announce themselves except when they don't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant

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[-] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Lies. ACAB.

This is gaslighting at this point. We all see the pigs with masks. We've all seen plainclothes officers in undercover cars make traffic stops.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 30 points 8 months ago

I’m reading it as the quoted police officer is telling us it’s ok to shoot the masked kidnapper-variety police.

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 14 points 8 months ago

Not disagreeing with ACAB but this particular guy was speaking on behalf of the Houston PD, saying they don’t wear ski masks. The two guys who got shot could be from any number of organizations.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

This has been happening for years, Apple even made a TV show about it.

Cops say they do no knocks and mask up for their own safety...

But this is America and people are even more on edge then ever. I honestly can't believe more actual cops haven't been shot by mistake yet.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 8 months ago

Yes... mistake...

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[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 86 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

lots of us said that this would be exactly what would be happening with masked police using constant escalation dominance as a tactic.

this is civil war behavior from a civilization.

it will also lead to blood feuds between people and the police as a whole. i expect to see more actual police police getting ambushed even if they are in a sanctuary city and are not acting to aid ICE.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 23 points 8 months ago

expect to see more actual police police getting ambushed even if they are in a sanctuary city and are not acting to aid ICE.

Unless the cops start shooting ICE on sight for the safety of their neighborhood, they are complicit and get what they deserve.

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 62 points 8 months ago

Good. ICE and lookalikes are cut from the same putrid cloth, that is best disposed of.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago

"Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks."

It's going to be very, very interesting to see how this one turns out!

Always a good idea to be aware of lethal force rules where you live:

In this case, Houston, Texas:

https://www.houstoncriminallaw.com/blog/self-defense-or-assault-when-using-force-is-justified-under-texas-law/

"The Role of the Castle Doctrine in Texas

The Castle Doctrine is a key element of Texas self-defense laws. This principle allows individuals to use force, including deadly force, to protect themselves in their homes, vehicles, or workplaces without a duty to retreat. Under Texas law, your “castle” is considered a place where you have a legal right to be, and force may be justified when:

Someone unlawfully enters or attempts to enter your home.

The intruder is committing or attempting to commit a violent act, such as robbery or assault.

You reasonably believe force is necessary to protect yourself or others.

There are some limitations to this principle. For example, the use of force is typically not justified if the intruder is retreating or if you initiated the altercation."

So, assuming the story is accurate, and remember, initial reports are almost always INACCURATE...

"At some point, police said the men shot at the homeowner through the door, prompting the homeowner to return fire."

So, yeah, as soon as they shot through the door, Castle Doctrine is in play.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

So, yeah, as soon as they shot through the door, Castle Doctrine is in play.

Standard self defense law also covers this in every US state and most countries; if someone is shooting at you and there's no way to quickly get to a place where they can't hit you, it's legal to kill them to make them stop.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 14 points 8 months ago

And what you want to say (with an attorney present) is that you used necessary force to eliminate the threat.

[-] Archer@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago
[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

I overheard a cop at the hospital I work at kinda laughing about that: apparently it's super common for people to plead the 5th, then proceed to run their mouth and incriminate themselves.

So, I fucking love that video for how persistent it is about 'but then the cop keeps asking you questions' 'but then they bring you to the station' and regardless of how far into the process it gets, shut the fuck up.

Funny presentation, but rock solid advice that people really do struggle with.

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[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 49 points 8 months ago

Can we Gofundme him a new door?

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[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 42 points 8 months ago

Police said if you're ever unsure whether it is really the police outside your door, there are some signs to look for.

"Obviously, a police car with some sort of lights and sirens and a bullhorn where we'll be announcing ourselves," HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi.

Sir, please go turn on your siren and announce yourself on the bullhorn so I can confirm you're a real cop.

How is that their actual advice...

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 34 points 8 months ago

Context. He immediately followed it up with:

Stringer noted that real officers do not wear ski masks.

I don't think this is the officer to complain about.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 points 8 months ago

Some of those that work forces...

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[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago

ICE wear masks, and no-knock warrants are a thing.

Kudos to the home owner for being vigilant and shooting BACK once they opened fire

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[-] mrslt@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago

I love happy endings.

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[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago

Bullet proof vests and fake badges? Wasn't a robbery but a st Valentine's Day massacre style hit job.

[-] aramis87@fedia.io 21 points 8 months ago

Is anyone else finding this story a little strange? Not someone finally shooting fake-ICE people. But:

Fake-ICE is wearing bulletproof vests and shoots at the homeowner through the door. The homeowner isn't injured. Fine.

The homeowner returns fire, through the door, hits and kills the two guys wearing bulletproof vests. Doesn't that strike anyone else as odd? Both dead, neither injured, despite bulletproof vests, despite being shot through a door?

[-] millie@slrpnk.net 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not really. A bulletproof vest won't protect your head. Meanwhile they're standing directly on the other side of a door that they're shooting through, while the home owner could have been anywhere on the other side of the door. They're playing a guessing game, but the homeowner can just shoot the door at head-height and their bulletproof vests will mean nothing.

[-] kuhli@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 8 months ago

Vests cover vital organs, but there's a lot of other places you can be shot and killed.

Bulletproof vests are also only rated for certain calibers too, mostly of what you'd think of as a bulletproof vest will only stop pistol calibers. Sure, you can get stuff that'll stop rifle shots, but then you're looking at wearing multiple 5-10 lb metal plates and spending quite a bit of money to get them.

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[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

There's different types of vest, and they're rated to stop different types of bullet.

If these guys are just pretending to be cops, they may well have just grabbed the cheapest vests they could find that looked convincing.

And a rifle round could have just punched straight on through a vest only rated for pistol rounds.

Also most vests don't cover the neck or sides of the body. Or the big arteries in the legs.

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 11 points 8 months ago

A bulletproof vest reduces harm, not negate it. Also, vests come in a variety of grades. As can one expect, the heavier and more expensive ones offer more protection, but those can still fail. Vests, like most insurance, only offers so much coverage from disaster.

Body Armor Basics

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

I mean you got to remember a bulletproof vest is still you know, a vest. Plenty of places you can killed that aren't on your chest.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

How many vests cover the face? You can also shrapnel their groin area, and they bleed out before any ambulance will be there.

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[-] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 8 months ago

HPD Detective Kyle Stringer told Choi.... that real officers do not wear ski masks.

🤔

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

Good for the homeowner. Any "law enforcement officer" who hide their faces and wont show ID are probably acting criminally and they should not be tolerated by society.

[-] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 months ago

Good start.

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