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Blahaj admin defending a blatant transphobe
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I wish I could speak to another trans femme without them bringing up and gushing over fucking contrapoints, philosophy tube or some other
breadtuber.
That instance feels like it's full of those types who talk down to you about their paper thin understanding of politics and social justice because "CONTRAPOINTS SAID SO!" or fucking Philosophy Tube ergghhhhhhh
and if you have a take left of starmer they scream authoritarian.
Gunna go in for a hard read now on blahaj.zone so bare with me.
BEING A MINORITY DOESN'T MAKE YOU A DECENT PERSON OR MAKE YOU MAGICALLY UNDERSTAND SOCIAL JUSTICE. LOG OFF AND READ A BOOK!
I don't hate philosophy tube etc to be clear, I just find their videos to be self indulgent slop and her fan base to consistently be insufferable privileged and chauvinistic liberal white trans femmes that usually speak for others (themselves, they ignore anyone else trans) and are kinda problematic vs recognising there's a thousands more of us who don't earn dollar doing software dev and that our needs and material conditions are just as important as their own.
Then you should probably edit that you've misgendered her in that same sentence. Fucking gross, and it hurts doubly when it's coming from another trans woman.
Where?! Are you being serious? I genuinely don't get where I've misgendered her?
Oi! don't fucking drop accusations like that without an example, I'm having a panic attack over this now.
Do you mean using their as the posessive to mean HER videos?
I'm sorry but I literally called her she in the same sentence and that should tell anyone I'm referring to what she owns or made and not her fucking gender.
Im sorry but you've absolutely read that the worst most bad faith way to the point it feels intentional.
You've even fucking spoken to me on here in comments and can view my past comments so i don't get why you've chosen to jump on me for what is (according to two other commenters) bad grammar and paint me as someone who would misgender their own community.
Reaching dickhead.
Politely what's your fucking problem?
I was, i either overlooked the "etc." or somehow didn't infer from it that you meant a plural "they". I'm super fucking sorry for this. It was an honest mistake, and if you re-read that sentence in question and leave out the "etc.", you can probably imagine how i came to these conclusions and how it felt to believe that a trans comrade did that kind of thing to another trans person.
Once more, i'm really really sorry for misreading you, and for causing that amount of distress. It's always a particularly awful kind of pain when people from within the community jump at you with such accusations when they're in the wrong, i know what that's like, and i should've taken a second and reread your sentence before posting to avoid putting you through that kind of shit. That was negligent and careless of me and i should've given you more of a benefit of the doubt and double-checked what you wrote. Do you want me to edit that comment or should i leave it up? I really want to make this right and if you want me to remove or edit the comment, it's the least i can do.
So for context this triggered my BPD giga hard and I'm still seething about it because being misrepresented as something I'm not specificially hits harder than other triggers and turns me into an endless firecracker of vitriol and defense mechanisms. As you well know being misrepresented by the media, the cis and trans libs cuts like a rusty blade and makes you feel alone when it comes from your own community.
So with that the above for context please understand my following reply with my current meltdown and emotional state considered:
Get fucked, try again another time.
You're absolutely right, i'll fuck off and leave you alone. If there's anything you want to tell, you can DM me or message me openly at any point, but i get this isn't a time where i can do anything to mend the harm i've caused and i'm out of here.
Both you and Tastysnack clearly have the best interest of yourselves and fellow trans comrades at heart. Sometimes passions can run hot, and we are reminded of the importance of solidarity. <3
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generally dont consider using they/them to be misgendering tbh, i default to it in trans spaces when i dont know someones gender. but its clearly being used in the plural here
I'm making exceptions for when pronouns are unknown, or when you're talking about people in general, and ofc for plural they like in this case that i've completely gotten wrong, but once we're adressing known individuals who've stated their pronouns, i'm under the very firm assumption that if these people would be fine with they / them, they would state it as a secondary set of pronouns. When people do not do that, i will never use a singular they / them on them just as i wouldn't he / him or she / her them if these aren't their pronouns. I know there's a bunch of folks both cis and trans who see this different than me and don't mind it, but there absolutely are trans people who find it highly offensive and hurtful, including myself, and also including PhilosophyTube, who will block anybody they / theming her. British terfs are extremly fond of using they / them to deniably misgender binary trans people, too, it's defintily not without its problems.
It absolutely is, i hope @Tastysnack@hexbear.net sees my apology in time and that it helps her at least a bit. She sounded so upset, it's horrible i've wronged her like this.
Given the "etc", I believe the use of "their" is meant as a plural pronoun, not a gender-neutral singular pronoun. Tastysnack's last paragraph isn't a case of misgendering but rather imperfect grammar, something we've all been guilty of.
Wait I thought their could be used to mean owning something? Is that wrong?
I thought you were using "their" as plural possessive, but it's been a long time since I've been in an English class, ha. What's important is that I understand you're respecting people's pronouns, regardless of the holes in our knowledge of grammar. :)
I thought that was grammatically correct especially since I used she like 3 or 4 words later specifically to refer to abigail and didn't misgender her once or anyone ever.
That said I can with a slowly clearing mind post meltdown see that it could be construed as catty. disingenuous or outright erasure especially since I was ranting about her content and that hers would of being a better choice to avoid any misunderstanding.
In the end even having your he or she pronouns invalidated subtly by a lib using they can hurt when you know they are doing it out of spite and while I'd never do that, my choice of words can be construed as such maybe (if you squint and paint me as the opposite person to what my account behaviour would suggest) and I certainly won't be making that mistake again.
Besides I'm shit at English and grammar so maybe I should stick to simple words and grammar anyway 😅
You were correct. Etc makes it plural here, so you should use "their" rather than the singular "her". If there was an issue, it was the following conjunct [items combined with an "and"] being in reference to "her," seemingly dropping the etc. Shorter sentences do make things easier, but I can never tell someone to do that since every sentence I write is run-on.
Errggghhhh my own first language is a joke. Japanese grammar makes more sense than this.
The "etc." makes it plural, so the "their" is not misgendering because it refers to the trans breadtuber clique and not one of them in particular.
Philosophy tube etc. are a group of people. they/them is the correct pronoun to use for a group of people.