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[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

Nazism is sadly a spectrum, and you can appeal to those undecided in the middle by hopping onto their stage

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Nazism is sadly a spectrum

No it's not.

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

sure it is

the threshold is quite low compared to how crazy some beliefs can get, but beyond that it is a spectrum like anything else

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

If you fall on the "fascism spectrum" at all, you're a fascist. Period.

[-] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

yeah that's basically the exact argument I'm making

your argument is that all fascists are the same. mine is that some are even worse than others

[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Fair. The point is that on the artist formerly known as twitter, there are still some who can be talked out of the point of view because they have not seen anything else, the platform supresses them and bans conversations based on what ever elons biases are this week. Others have already drank the coolaid and the only solution then is to just throw heavy history text books at them until it sinks in that there is a reason that books covering europe from 1935-1945 weigh a ton.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

this is the first time that i've ever heard this and it's kinda hilarious.

Nazism is [...] a spectrum

lol, just L.O.L. do you want a little genocide with your 3pm tea or a bit more? How many brown dead children do there have to be to make it worthwhile? (/s)

i think that you might have a point, but you really gotta work on your verbalization and presentation. saying "nazism is a spectrum" is not gonna resonate with anyone.

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think that decorating my words more to assay the feelings those who cannot parse intent would be a race to the bottom that wouldn't help anyone

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

now that's a well-worded response :)

also yes, i can see that point. i guess i'm just used to adapting my language to those around me to get better audience reception.

[-] Genius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Their stage where if you're good enough at appealing to centrists, they'll just ban you or lower your post visibility. Their stage where the algorithm can be manipulated to show centrists only your worst posts.

Their stage that dies if enough sensible movers leave that the sheep see only vileness from evil movers.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

Perhaps, but they lost the right for humanization if they are stripping it from others.

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

The vitriolic worst ones yes. The quiet complacent ones might be rescueable

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sorry, that's not how this works. That's your liberalism. Why should I compromise with a group that wants my loved ones dead? They have made their choices.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago
[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can both be vehemently anti-immigration and pro minority rights at the same time. It's mental gymnastics at its core, I agree, but it exists.

Very few people hold a cohesive worldview that holds up against total scrutiny, and the one's who do probably spend too much time inside their heads convinced of their own sanctity.

[-] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

I'm so strongly opposed to illegal immigration that I think we should just open the borders and let folks come and go as they please.

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm so strongly opposed to illegals undercutting the working class in this country, that I think we should give them all passports so that they're legally entitled to minimum wage and thus offer no competitive advantage to greedy employers

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago

illegals

They're fucking people.

[-] tetris11@feddit.uk 0 points 1 month ago

I agree, hence why I suggest giving them passports the moment they touch soil

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Missed the point completely.

They may be "undocumented immigrants," or even "illegal immigrants" (and that's borderline).

But "illegals" is dehumanizing.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Perhaps. But Nazism at its core is deeply racist and therefore anti-immigration and anti-minority. Do I even need to spell out what they did to Jews, Romas, the disabled and other nationalities?

Not trying to put words into your mouth, but I suspect that what you mean is that fascism is a spectrum, not Nazism itself. Fascism that started in Italy is the original fascism, and they are kinda mild compared to Nazism. While both Nazism and fascism reject liberal democracy and freedom of speech and press; embrace militarism; ultranationalism; and romantacising the past, some fascists embrace diversity. Even in Italian fascist propaganda, they advocate treating Africans as Italian compatriots. After all, Mussolini and his fascist party wants to recreate the multiethnic Roman empire. Why be racists then if that is their goal? Italian fascists don't mind other races so long as people subscribe to Italian national identity. Italy also either refused or delayed sending Jews to concentration camps, because Italian fascists don't really care about the Nazi view on Jews save for a few.

Even though Nazism are fascists, not all fascists are Nazis. Nazism took inspiration from fascism, albeit with more racism. Many would argue that Nazism is a subset of fascism while some say they are different ideology altogether. There was also a contemporary far right Brazilian group who admired Hitler. They sent a letter to Hitler praising him, but advocated for him to embrace diversiry like what Brazil does.

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