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No, I have written many times that Deng’s reform was critical, especially the first 30 years. I take issue with the neoliberal turn after joining the WTO in 2001, and while the leadership has so far done a decent job of preventing a broader economic crisis, it is very obvious that we are already past the limits of Deng’s reform and there is an urgent need to transition away from the neoliberal policies that rely on an export-led growth model.
It is already evident that the slowing growth over the years, the end of the infrastructure investment-led era, the slump in domestic consumption and the difficulty in transitioning away from the export industries all point toward a need to move away from the neoliberal model. This tracks with the fact that neoliberalism is also reaching its terminal phase globally.
What I don’t understand is why do people cling on to Deng’s reform as though it can go on forever? If Mao’s planned economy only worked for 20 years, and a reform and opening up era had to follow, then the natural course when such a phase has reached its limit would be to transition into a new socialist-oriented phase.
A lot of this comes from poor understanding of Chinese history and how its economy actually works. I’m trying to educate people here but get accused of being an ultra and a Trot lol. An ultra would denounce Deng’s contributions completely, and Trots would hate both Mao and Deng. I don’t even think many here understand the differences between them.
Since when have I said that China exploits the Global South???
Also I never said China is too capitalist. In fact, I said that China is socialism with Chinese characteristics, and this form of market socialism relies on building socialism through neoliberal principles. Very important distinction here.
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Don’t even get me started about how Shanghai single handedly sabotaged the entire national Zero Covid policy just less than three years ago lol. I am still seething.
The biggest achievement of the current premier, Li Qiang, was giving Tesla huge incentives to build its factory in Shanghai. These people were so enamored with Elon Musk that they made Tesla the only foreign automaker company in China that does not have to partner up with a local company. And for this, he is being rewarded with being promoted to the premier position at the 20th CPC Congress (not joking).
No, you misremembered. Shanghai wanted to go their own way, emulating Western countries with “targeted lockdown” strategy. It went out of control when Omicron hit. When the virus is all over the country, it was pretty much over. The government could no longer justify keep locking down the entire country at that point, and the Zero Covid strategy ended in January 2023 just before the Chinese New Year.
Reminder than Shenzhen has more or less the same population and density as Shanghai, and was hit by Omicron at around the same time, and succeeded with a full lockdown mode. So the argument that Shanghai couldn’t have done it better is pure bullshit.
You are correct but misunderstood my point. I remember clearly that Shenzhen and Shanghai went into lockdown around April 2022 at almost the same time, with quite a staggering outcome.
The March-April 2022 wave showed how costly it would be to get the pandemic under control again if “accidentally” allowed to be spread again. This is the lever the Shanghai libs have over the central government. When Li Qiang (who was criticized for his handling of Covid) was made Premier in October that year during the 20th CPC Congress, it was clear that the libs have regained control. By December as a new wave appeared, the Zero Covid policy would be abandoned.
No problem. I still get emotional about it lol. Maybe I am being a bit unfair against the Shanghai people haha.