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submitted 2 days ago by freedickpics@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Whenever people ask about ways to make their smartphones more private or which is the most privacy-respecting phone to get, there's always a few people confidently asserting "all smartphones are spy tools, get a dumbphone with no apps if you want to be private". Which is ridiculous advice for a few reasons

  • Dumbphones usually run either proprietary operating systems or outdated forks of Android. They're almost never encrypted. They rarely get security updates. They're a lot more vulnerable than even a regular Android phone

  • With dumbphones, you're usually limited to regular phone calls or SMS/MMS messaging. These are ancient communication standards with zero built-in privacy. Your ISP can read any text message you send and view metadata logs of any phone calls you make. In lots of places (like Australia where I live) ISPs are actually required to keep logs of your messages and phone calls

With even a regular Android phone you at least have access to encrypted messaging apps like Signal or Session so your conversations aren't fair game for anyone who wants to read them. Of course there are better options. iOS (not perfect but better than most bloatware-filled Android devices) and a pixel with GrapheneOS (probably the best imo) are much better options; but virtually anything out there is going to be better for privacy than a dumbphone

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago

I can't speak for everyone, but if I'm using a dumb phone, I'm not going to be doing any of the things that I'm worried about them hearing.

If ICE grabs my phone right now and beats me until I lock it. They're going to be looking through my lemmy history.

I'm not going to hold a long political dissertation over SMS or during a phone call.

What I really want to at this point is a pager, a cellular Wi-Fi access point, and an 8" tablet that can run Linux and sip power so I can just pretend I don't have a device.

[-] Corridor8031@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

GrapheneOs Duress Pin is what you are looking for in your described scenario i think

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

GrapheneOS provides users with the ability to set a duress PIN/password that will irreversibly wipe the device along with any installed eSIMs.

That's a good way to get locked up for 6 months while they 'investigate' you

What are you trying to hide RUMBA??? Ihre Papiere bitte

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

there are cases out there of people being detained for years for not providing the unlock pin/passwords to encrypted data.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

yup, I want no parts of that.

Here's my license, here's my phone. here's my travel laptop.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

I just stopped traveling altogether

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