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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago

I have to correct you on your terrible misunderstanding of the Irish Genocide. Your misinformation is almost certainly not your fault, as I was uncritically taught the same utter bullshit in my primary school curriculum in the USA. The Irish genocide that you refer to as using the colonizer’s term “Irish Potato Famine” had absolutely fuckall to do with potatoes or the Irish. The absent landlords in England extracted mandatory “tax” in the form of literally every food crop that the Irish ~~slaves~~tenants grew. There was ALWAYS, literally at ALL POINTS IN TIME, enough food to feed the people of Ireland. The food was physically stolen with violence and exported to cover “rent” to English “landlords” that never set foot in the country. Potatoes were grown in an act of extreme desperation as they were not a crop that was considered ~~theft~~tax-worthy and therefore the Irish did their best to feed themselves.

Think critically about it for like one second. Do you really believe that it was just a bunch of silly dumb Irishmen that only ever thought to grow literally a single crop for all of their food? In such a lush and nutrient rich area that is still famous for like a dozen high quality staples in different food groups? Or did you just get duped by racists that still spread their bullshit successfully?

[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 5 points 1 day ago

I am aware that the Irish famine was very multi-faceted and was an act of genocide. But for the sake of this particular argument (diversity in crops) I did point out that much of the Irish potato crop was a mono-culture, and the British absolutely brought over the blight without any concern of what it might do.

[-] delgato@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I understand where your anger is coming from but it’s misplaced. Lots of people, Americans too, learn the Irish genocide as “the Irish Potato Famine”. Secondly, single crop use is ONE factor that made the situation worse in the context of anti-Irish policies by the occupying British.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

The simple fact of the matter is that there was enough food to feed every Irish mouth, and even available aid from other places. Anyone starving was a matter of policy.

[-] ronl2k@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Anyone starving was a matter of policy.

Couldn't some of those over-taxed Irish have chosen to fish or hunt instead of depending on one crop?

[-] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago

The Irish genocide that you refer to as using the colonizer’s term “Irish Potato Famine” had absolutely fuckall to do with potatoes or the Irish.

But it has everything to do with potatoes (a particular blight that affected potato crops) and the Irish (the actual affected people of this genocide).

The social and political reasons for why the Irish ended up so dependent on a single crop for sustenance is part of the story, of course, but this discussion right here is about the fragility and brittleness of relying on a single crop.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

But they were growing other successful crops. The English just stole it all from them.

[-] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 22 hours ago

You're just listing reasons why they were reliant on a single crop for sustenance. Cool, but the actual historical example shows why that particular arrangement is brittle and vulnerable to shocks, which is the point being made here.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago

No, that is just a narrative you are pushing in order to distract from the point being made here, which is that it was an intentionally constructed genocide. Can you define in general terms what you mean in this context when you say “that particular arrangement” that is “vulnerable to shocks”? Do you mean the arrangement of genocidal theft of produced crops? Of course thats a brittle agricultural system. That was the point.

[-] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Proximate vs ultimate/distal cause? Proximate cause was lack of potato varieties. Real/ultimate cause was ruthless exploitation by English depriving the Irish better choices.

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